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From: Dorothy Koenig <>
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Jan Jochemse
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1aa.159a536a.2c13d02d@aol.com>


Dear Cynthia and Margot, You're right, Cynthia, that it was Jan Jochemsz
CALJIER who married. According to David Riker's recent Directory, Jochem
Caljier married Magdaleen Michaels Waele, and they came to New Netherland
in 1639. Riker does not list their son Jan, but he could have been born
in the Netherlands as Margot says in 1635.

David Riker also tells us that Jan van der Hoeven and his wife Dorothy
Jans first lived in Albany and then moved to Bergen County, New Jersey. I
found the baptisms of 6 children in Albany and 2 (or 3?) in the Bergen
DRC. In the first 3 baptisms listed, the woman sponsor presented the
infant at the baptismal font:

16 Sep 1683 CornelisJurriaan Caillardt, Geertruy Cornelis
9 May 1686 JohannesJonge Jan, Maria Jans
29 Mar 1688 GeertruyJohannes Mingaal, Tryntje Rykman
20 Jan 1692 GysbertAntoni Brise, Maria Mingaal
9 Dec 1694 IsakLucas Lucasz, Marietje Bries
9 Dec 1694 JacobAlbert Rykman, Marietje Jans
25 May 1697 HendrickGerrit Juriaensen, Catreyna Gerrits (wife of
Gerrit Steynmets)
2 Apr 1700 AbrahamGerrit Gerritsen, Jr., Neisje Pieters (wife)
8 Oct 1705 GerritBeeltje Dirks, Merselis Pieterse

The birth of "a son" is noted on 7 Jan 1700. I am assuming it was
"Abraham" who was baptized that April.

"Cornelis" would have been named for the paternal grandfather. "Johannes"
would have been named for the maternal grandfather. The sole daughter was
named for the paternal grandmother.

As far as the baptismal sponsors go, "Jonge Jan" would mean "Young Jan".
He could have been Jan Jansz -- the brother of Dorothy Jans. THe
Marrietje Jans who was godmother of twin "Jacob" could have been Dorothy's
sister. She is the same individual to appear with her brother, "Jonge
Jans".

A family bible or a will of Jan Jochemsz Caljier would be a way around the
dismal fact that the early Albany DRC records are no longer extant. We
may never know the names of Dorothy Jans' siblings.

I would estimate that Dorothy Jans was born in the late 1750s. She
probably got married about 1682, and she died sometime after 1705.

Dorothy

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 wrote:

> Margot,
> Could you possibly give us a bit more information? If you know, where/when
> were this Jan Jochemse and Marytje Caljer married? Where/when was their dau
> Dorothy born? Why would the dau have the surname of her mother rather than her
> father? She should be named Dorothy Jans. Where did this family live once they
> arrived here or did they never come to the New Netherlands? Where/when did
> Dorothy marry Jan Vanderhoeve?
>
> I just found a Jan Cornelis Van Der Hoven of Kinderhook with a wife named
> Dorothe Janse in Jonathan Pearson's "Genealogies of the First Settlers of
> Albany". Unfortunately there is no mention of this Dorothe's family or place of
> origin. The children shown and year of bp. are:
> Cornelis 1683
> Johannes 1686
> Geertruy 1688
> Gysbert 1692
> Isaac & Jacob, twins 1694
>
> The marriage and baptismal records of the RDC of Albany do not start until
> 1683 so it is very possible that there were more children born before little
> Cornelis in 1683 as well as the parents marriage. Is this your family?
> Cynthia
>
>
>
> In a message dated 06/07/2003 11:08:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> << I have Jan Jochemse born 18 May 1635 in Sixbierum, Friesland married to
> Marytje Caljer. Their daughter Dorothy who married Jan Vanderhoeve is my
> ancestor but I have no birth, death or marriage date for her or any record of
> siblings.
>
> Does anyone on this list share this family?
>
> Margot >>
>
>
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