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From: "Pamela J. Sears" <>
Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who is Weyntie Elberts,widow of Aert Willemszen
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:34:02 -0400


Hi Ethel, Howard, et al,

> Robert Miller in his article Aert Willemszen and His Descendants?
> in NYGBR vol 26, p. 134 says, Weyntje Elberts, his wife, probably
> came from Nieukercken, in Zeeland, with her brother Elbert Elbertszen.?
> He doesn?t seem to offer any proof they are siblings, though.

Robert B. Miller was writing in July 1895 for the Record and, sadly,
offered no sources for anything he said.

Weyntje Elberts may have had a brother Elbert who was not necessarily a
Stoothoff. Consider the following snippets:

[NNC 5:53} More from Amsterdam notarial records by Pim Nieuwenhuis:
3 Aug 1654 [notary J. de Winter, 2282:IV-86] Elbert Elbertsen from
Amsterdam, about to sail to New Netherland, gives power of attorney to
his wife Elisabeth Grevenraet.

Note: Elbert Elbertsen, from Amsterdam, age 35, glassmaker's apprentice,
married in Amsterdam on 26 Apr 1653 Elisabeth Grevenraet, widow of Isaac
de Riemer.

kind Jillis
vader Frederick Grevenraet
moeder Marrie van Marselaer
doop 4 mei 1653
sp: Gilbert [somebody], Catrina Mattis [I think]
religie Hervormd, Oude kerk
bron 9 p.56

Sponsors were:
* Elbert Eldertsz. [[Gasseon]] --the one who married Elisabeth
(Hendricks) Grevenreat, wid. of Isaac Pietersz dr Riemer, and drowned in
1655 at New Amsterdam [Stokes Iconography II:286, citing Minutes of
Orphan's Court I:2] **
* Catryna Mattis~ [[van Sonsbeeck]] --Gilles van Marsselaer's
second wife.

and,

This is a quote from the book, "The De Riemer Family: AD 1640?-1903"
by W.E. De Riemer, NY 1905: page 8.
"Lysbet (Grevenraet) the widow of Isaac De Riemer married Elbert
Elbertse, a glazier by trade. He died suddenly as appears from the
following record: Nov. 9, 1655. The Burgomasters, in their quality of
Orphanmasters, report the death of Elbert Elbertsz on board the Bonte
Koe in North River. Rynier Rycken is appointed his attorney and
secretary Kip to inventory his estate. (Original Records of Burgomasters
and Orphanmasters).

Elbert Elbertszen (Stoothoff), was a weaver by trade (according to
Rensselaer's Bowier Manuscripts), and died after December 1686:

From Bergen's Early Settlers:
His will, not recorded, is da. Dec. 18, 1686, in which he devised
Bergen's Island to his s. Gerret and entailed it to his descendants.

GMNJ 43:97 (Sept. 1968). But see TAG 45:177 (1969) "Stoothoff-Cool
Notes" by George E. McCracken. He points out that, contrary to
statements by Bergen and Ledley, the will of Capt. Stoothoff is recorded
in Suffolk County, Mass, Probate Book 13:6-10.


> One thing that puzzles me is the bap. of Wyntje on 8 Mar 1643 by an
> Aert Willemszen and then the bap. on 21 June 1643 of a son Elbert.

It puzzles me as well, but it didn't seem to bother Robert B. Miller in
his article.

I just don't think there is enough information to positively identify
Weyntje Elberts.


Regards,
Pam Sears

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