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From: john lewis <>
Subject: Re: [King] ALLENS of North Hampshire
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:28:27 +0000
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:17:57 +0000
Nigel Gerdes <> wrote:

> On Thursday 08 November 2007 09:32, john lewis wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:45:50 +0000
> >
> > john lewis <> wrote:
>
> > There was a Maria Allen bapt in Dec 1805 in Hannington to William
> > Allen & Rachel Baggs. William Allen was born in Burghclere ca
> > 1782 so I have gone for her as the wife of Benjamin.
> >
> John and list,
>
> Maria the daughter of William and Rachael Allen seems never to have
> married. She was buried 04 Dec 1886 in Newbury, twenty years after
> her father was buried in Kingsclere. In 1806 he was in Winchester
> prison and his wife and daughter were removed to Sydmonton. HRO has
> the records.

There doesn't seem to be a Death entry for any Maria/Mary Allen in
Dec Qtr 1886 in FreeBMD. There is an entry for Maria Talmage age 81 in
Kingsclere RD Dec Qtr 1886. Benjamin (76) & Maria (75) Talmage were
living in Ox Drove, Burghclere in 1881

> 19M76/PO5/234 Rachael (wife of William Allen a prisoner at
> Winchester Gaol, charged with felony) and daughter Maria (5 months)
> removed from Kingsclere to Sydmonton 1806
>
> The wife of Benjamin is far more likely to be her aunt Maria Allen
> born ca 1797 at Burghclere to William and Elizabeth Allen nee
> White.

I have this Maria dying in Ecchinswell in Jan 1874 and buried at St.
Lawrence on 24 Jan. I have her as not marrying but having an
illegitimate child Charles in 1823. The age of 77 given in burial
register is consistent with a birth in 1797.

> I feel it is best not to make any connections until the
> evidence is available, tempting thou' it may be. My own experience
> is that to do otherwise is to risk muddling good and bad data and
> losing confidence in the lot unless you document all sources and
> apply surety ratings to the data as a pro-researcher would.

The evidence from Census records 1851-1881 is that Maria Talmage was
born ca1806 in Hannington.

The Death entry from BMD is also consistent with a birth in 1806

The marriage entry for Benjamin & Maria records him as being of
Burghclere & Maria of Sidmonton.

in 1851 William, Rachel and Hannah Allen are living in Sidmonton and
from what you say Sidmonton seems to have been their 'home' parish.
This is consistent with Maria being of Sidmonton when she married and
so being the daughter of William & Rachel.

I think it unlikely that a Maria Allen born in Burghclere in 1797
would consistently give her birth place as Hannington and born 9
years later.

The BTs for Hannington only have one Allen baptism in the
period 1800-1812 plus the marriage of William & Rachel 3 months
before the baptism of Maria.

So I have to disagree with Nigel on this one.

--
John Lewis
Debian (Sid) with the GeneWeb genealogy package

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