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From: "cassy" <>
Subject: Re: [HRT] HRT Heir Hunters
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:18:29 +0100
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Hi
Just to add a light note to this , I wanted my 4x
gr grandparents wedding cert from 1843, I knew the date of the
wedding , the church and the couples name , but I needed the name
of the grooms father so that's why I wanted the cert to find out
so I went to Dudley Registrar Office
I filled in the forms stated I was there what ever gr granddaughter and
paid
my money over ,
Then I asked if they could tell me the name of the grooms father , quote
*we
cant give you that info its data protected you have to wait for it to be
sent
to you by post *, I did say that it was from nearly 160 years ago but they
would not have it
and it took nearly a fortnight to arrive from just three miles away and
several phone calls and they
claimed they had posted it the same day
But I have found that in most cases most of the registrars will tell you the
info after you have paid
Cheers
Cassy
Assistant Admin Black Country
Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marlene Shipman" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [HRT] HRT Heir Hunters


> Hi
> Interesting subject! From afar I have vastly differing experiences!
> ENGLAND
> I am NOT allowed details of a patient at an asylum who died in 1910
> although I have the Death Cert and know the cause of death! I applied in
> May 2008 because I knew it was 100 years since the Admisson! Privacy Law
> was cited.
> I AM allowed information on house ownership, burial details etc for
> someone who died in 1981. I have Patient Records and Death Certs for
> the 1940s.
> AUSTRALIA
> Burials and Cemetery info is easily obtainable. Wills are available up
> to the 1990s (my latest). I have had no problem getting certs. The info
> is available on CD up to about 1920.
>
> I think it very much depends on the organisation from whom you are
> seeking information! The NZ Genealogical Society has published a CD
> where I am listed as deceased because my name appears on the gravestones
> of my father and brother!
> THAT has to be a lesson for all of us!
>
> However I do think it is bad manners to publish details of living
> persons on Web sites but so many Colonials do it in the hope of finding
> the family "back home"! Many sites have a Personal Message capability
> which I prefer to use.
> Cheers
> Marlene
> New Zealand
>
> Celia Renshaw wrote:
>> In the UK, it is still [for the time being] possible to get BMD
>> certificates
>> for anyone, at least up to & incl. 2005, maybe right up to the present,
>> I'm
>> not an expert. Even just using the GRO indexes in the 20th/21st
>> centuries
>> can yield good results. After mid-1912ish, the birth indexes include
>> mother's maiden name which is usually a big help. And the death indexes
>> from some date before 1984 [when things went computerised], include the
>> deceased's date of birth too [though its accuracy depends on how well the
>> informant knew the deceased!]. I understand there's an official project
>> underway to include mother's maiden name and possibly other additional
>> info
>> in the online GRO indexes pre-1912, but that is running very much later
>> than
>> planned and not yet available - I'm sure there are people here know more
>> about that than me.
>>
>> I know our system differs from other countries, Australia as an example,
>> where there's a 100 year 'gag rule' on BMD certs unless you can prove
>> it's
>> for yourself or immediate family -am I right? I had an Ozzie rellie a
>> few
>> years ago threw a big wobbly and stopped speaking to me when I passed on
>> some 'living people' details to other trusted, close-researchers because
>> she
>> thought they would publish them on a website which she said, in
>> Australia,
>> was illegal? But I'm not sure how that works when the web is global - in
>> the UK I'm pretty sure it's not illegal, just bad form in some people's
>> opinion... at least that's true so far... people keep hinting things like
>> this could change.
>>
>> Despite having supposedly open access to our certs and the info they
>> hold,
>> it is still more difficult to trace living people than the dead ones in
>> the
>> UK, but trackers like those featured in the programme will, I imagine,
>> have
>> subs to services like 992.com [or is it 922?] which hold various
>> databases
>> such as electoral registers, phone directories etc - on that website, you
>> can do initial searches for free, but there's a [modest] sub payable to
>> view
>> details. I've no doubt there are companies producing much more of this
>> kind
>> of info for a fairly hefty charge, one reason why the heir-hunters take a
>> percentage cut. Though whether the recent changes to Data Protection and
>> Freedom of Info have affected things I dunno.
>>
>> As I write this, I realise how fuzzy I am about the details on all this.
>> No
>> doubt others can advise me!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Celia Renshaw
>> in Chesterfield UK
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sent: 18 July 2008 10:20
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>>
>> I also have been watching 'Heir Hunters' and wonder, 'how do they trace
>> the
>> children/grandchildren born after 1901? How do they find their names and
>> where they live?
>>
>> Sheila
>>
>>
>>
>>
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