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From: "Jeanne fletcher" <>
Subject: Re: [ENG-IRONBRIDGEGORGE] Identifying land
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:08:17 +0100
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Peter
I think that I was once contacted by a Peter Taylor researching a Benjamin
Fletcher from Madeley/Dawley area.
I know its a bit of a long shot but you are researching in the same area.
Best Wishes
Jeanne Fletcher

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From: "Peter Taylor" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ENG-IRONBRIDGEGORGE] Identifying land



Gillian,

There is also this:
FILE - Lease - ref. 1987/35/4 - date: 27 April 1756

Contents
1. John Smitheman of Colebrooke Dale, Madeley, Esq.
2. Thomas Goldney of Bristol, merchant
Abraham Darby of Colebrooke Dale, ironmaster Richard Ford of the same,
ironmaster, on behalf of themselves and partners in the Colebrooke Dale
Works.
Whereas John Unett Smitheman, gent, and Catherine his wife (father and
mother of John Smitheman, party) both deceased, jointly with John Giffard,
Esq. and Rose his wife, by their lease of 7 January 1735/6 let to Richard
Ford of Colebrooke Dale, gent., father of Richard Ford, party, deceased, and
Abraham Darby, party, two iron furnaces called the Old Furnace and the New
Furnace &c see 1987/35/2, to hold to them from Michaelmas 1738 for 21 years,
which term will end on Michaelmas 1759.
Whereas Thomas Goldney, party, at the time of taking such lease and several
other persons were partners and sharers in managing and carrying on the
works, and since that time several other buildings have been erected on the
premises and for the more advantage of raising water for working the works a
fire engine has been erected on other lands belonging to the lessors that
were not comprized in the above lease.
Whereas Thomas Goldney, Abraham Darby and Richard Ford, on behalf of
themselves and partners, have applied to John Smitheman for a further term
to be granted of his moiety of the premises above, beginning on the
expiration of the above lease, to which John Smitheman has agreed. So John
Smitheman leases to Thomas Goldney, Abraham Darby and Richard Ford all his
undivided moiety of the premises, with the fire engine, furnaces, forges,
dwelling houses, outhouses, buildings, barns, stables, orchards, gardens,
dams. pools, stanks, weirs, water courses &c, being part of the Manor of
Madeley.
Reservation of timber and game, except the draining of pool which it is
agreed shall be kept full for the benefit of the furnaces,forges and other
works; liberty for John Smitheman to go with horses and carriages at all
times through Coalbrookdale.
To Thomas Goldney, Abraham Darby and Richard Ford as now held from the feast
of St. Michael 1759 for 21 years. Rent: £200 p.a. beginning at Christmas
1759.
John Smitheman grants to 2. that they shall have full liberty to wharf,
stack and land coals, iron and other goods or merchandises in which they are
partners during the term on any place or part of the waste land, part of the
Manor of Madeley joining to the River Severn, and lying between the
smelthouse and the garden hedge belonging to Thomas Hughes a pipemaker, in
Madeley Wood.
They covenant to pay to John Smitheman the remainder of the term granted in
the recited lease the yearly rent of £50 above the rent paid for the
ironworks.
Dorse: Memo that it is agreed by the parties within and declared that the
majority of the partners in the Colebrook Dale Ironworks shall be and are
impowered, and John Smitheman agrees to give liberty to any of their
partners, to carry or waggon coals and other materials or goods upon the
rails when laid wherein any of them shall be concerned and to land and wharf
the same at the wharfage.
Signed by all the parties.
Witnesses: Willm Hallen. Hy Rainsford.
Memorandum that this document was produced 11 Sept. 1758 at the time of the
examination of William Hallen and Henry Rainsford in the case in Chancery -
John Giffard and wife, complainants, against Abraham Darby and others,
defendants.
Witnesses: Henry Bowdler, J.J (or H.) White, Jno Oliver, Edwd Jeffreys.

There are other Hughes pipemakers known.

Peter

Bristolloggerheads @ blueyonder.co.uk if you want to get in touch off board.
(lose the gaps to use)

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Gillian Kelly
Sent: 06 March 2009 14:13
To:
Subject: [ENG-IRONBRIDGEGORGE] Identifying land

I don't know if it is possible to do this, but from the lease descriptions
below, can anyone tell me how to work out where this is please? It is the
garden of John Hughes that is of particular interest to me.

March 1774
1. John Smitheman, Ann and Mary Giffard and Barbara Slaughter.
2. Abraham Darby.
2 iron furnaces called the Old and the New Furnaces at Coalbrookdale.
2 iron forges or smithies and part of the land where the furnaces stand.
The forges are called the Great Forge and the Plate Forge; and the Steel
House (now used as a malthouse); building used as a fire engine built on
part of the premises; and all railways, roads and warfages part of the Manor
of Madeley between the Plating Forge and the smelthouse at R. Severn, and
from the smelthouse by Severn side to a garden in Madeley Wood (John
Hughes); land under the forges and malthouse.
For 42 years.
Rent: £400 p.a.

Feb 1794:
All lands, ways, waste, roads, railways and wharfages, part of the Manor of
Madeley between the plating forge and the smelthouse at the R. Severn and
from the smelthouse by Severnside down to a garden in Madeley Wood then late
the property of - Hughes, widow,decd. Part of the waste ground several parts
on which the forges and malthouse stood, with a new building, part used as a
stable and other part as an office or store house at the upper end of
Coalbrookdale, and a new engine pit, watercourse, brickyard and ground near
the same (1½a); that part of the waste ground and bushes adjoining the said
forges and then lately inclosed.

Gillian Kelly Queanbeyan NSW


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