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From: "Jane Lachs" <>
Subject: [ENG-LIV] Long boring story - CARR Birkenhead - help needed please
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:56:20 +0100


Morning :-)

Please excuse the length .. I'm thinking out loud.

John (Philip) CARR was brought up in Birkenhead. He said he was born there
16th October 1906 but I haven't found a record of his birth, in fact he
couldn't find it either when it was needed for his pension.
He went to the States to live with an Uncle. He had at least one brother and
sisters named maybe Kathleen and Mary.
The family were Roman Catholic, Irish. His mother maybe Welsh.
One Irish grand-mother had Spanish ancestry and one grand-mother (maybe the
same one) smoked a pipe.

That is ALL I knew when my father died in 1985 and I didn't have any
interest in genealogy anyway at that time.

It wasn't until then that my mother started talking about their past.

They weren't married !! he was, until his death, married to Ellen, with whom
he had children.
Circa 1945/1946 he ran away with my mother (still married to a Frank) and
went to live in Bushey, Herts., where I and my brother and sister were born.

All very fascinating but I still didn't have an interest in genealogy. "Live
and let live" and "who am I to judge ?" etc.

It wasn't until 1999 (4 years after my mother's death) that the BUG hit me.

I've been concentrating on my mother's Yorkshire side of the tree because it
is comparatively "easy" .. they lived in the same areas for 100s of years
...

What I've found on my father's side:

>From the electoral rolls: John first appears in Yorkshire 1924.
The marriage certificate of John to Ellen, registry office Dec. 1930 (father
Christopher, didn't know that before), birth of first child June 1931, the
Catholic marriage record of John to Ellen August 1931, father Christopher,
mother Mary (didn't know that before) and the births of 4 more children
(including a Christopher).

A record at Ellis Island, Nov. 1920, a 13 1/2 year John CARR old travelling
alone to Uncle Mark CARR in Denver Colorado. Next of Kin: father Christopher
CARR, 53 Flambank Street, Birkenhead. I found Mark in the 1920 Denver
census: 59 years old, birthplace England, Naturalized 1884. Haven't yet
found his naturalization record.

We also found photos sent to him during/after WWII from his brother Phil in
Canada. Why his brother was named Phil and my father's second name was
supposed to be Philip I don't know. (Marriage records just say John).

I've looked for his birth in the most likely (Birkenhead) area (and bought
the wrong certificates)
and have now started looking in the unlikely areas.

I found these 3 John CARR births 4th quarter 1906
Sunderland 10a 739
Sunderland 10a 701
Gateshead 10a 969
and have asked to be sent any with father Christopher. If they are wrong
there are 2 more candidates in Lancs.

I've been following the family of a Christopher CARR born 1881 Birkenhead,
(father Bartholomew, born Ireland, father Mark, mother Mary FADDEN, born
Ireland, father Peter) as the most likely candidate for a grand-father :-)
but still can't be 100% sure.

Christopher (1881) had siblings Mark (born Sep 1860), Patrick, John,
Josh/Joseph, Bartholomew, Norah, Michael.

In 1901 Christopher was still single and at home with his parents 227, Brook
Street, Birkenhead.

I joined the Cheshire FHS yesterday on-line and would be very grateful in
the meantime for help/tips to prove the John/Christopher link so I can "go
across the sea to Ireland" :-))

Cheers
Jane Lachs in Munich
excuse cross postings please.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
still looking for the family of John C A R R
(born ca. 1906, God knows where), father Christopher, mother Mary.

John was brought up in Birkenhead ca. 1906-1920

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