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From: "Cyril Mellor" <>
Subject: [ENG-MAN] OT: PC Date (Was Irish Families Coleman ,O'Brien, Smith)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:49:03 +0800
You need to check your computers date setting. I'm getting e-mail dated
29/5/03, you're out by 7 months.
From: Gill Rice [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2003 18:52
Subject: [ENG-MAN] Irish Families Coleman ,O'Brien, Smith
I am trying to research the families of my gt,gt Grandparents James
Coleman and Catherine O'Brien who came to UK around 1850 to join family
who had arrived earlier in the Famine years.
James and Catherine married in Ireland and I can't locate their marriage
On the 1851 Manchester census they are living in Primrose St. Ancoats
with Catherine's brother John (I think) , his wife Ann and daughter Mary
The census shows other O'Briens all living next door to each other.
Names that re-occur are John, Mary Ann, Mary and Sarah Ann.
I think the O'Briens may have come from Galway and the Colemans, Co.
My gt gt Grandfather James Coleman was a cordwainer / boot and shoe
maker- a trade he carried on until his death in 1907 at North Porter
Street James and Catherine lived in Ancoats, they only had a small
family compared to the 'norm' of the times. Their first child John was
born around 1853/4 but I know nothing of him after 1871 census. William
died aged 6 in 1876 - my late Father was called after him
My Gt grandmother , their daughter Mary Ann was born in1859. Mary Ann
married James Smith son of Jonathan Smith and Catherine Flynn
Mary Ann and James had a large family
Catherine b.Dec 1881 in Silk St , she died aged 19 allegedly by suicide
in the Rochdale Union Canal nr Union Street John b.1883 -Mary Ann b.1885
married Edwin Stockton. Two children , Mary Ann and Edwin. both born in
Francis - Frank
William - Billy ( my Grandfather)b 1895
After the death of his wife James Coleman lived with his daughter Mary
Ann in Gleden Street and North Porter Street. James Smith was a metal
merchant I think that Jack 'got into trouble'!He was in the army and he
hit an officer who was taunting him.......hence
After 1907 the Smiths went to USA with a family called the Regans. The
men worked on the Long Island Tunnels and as a young man my Grandfather
William was deeply troubled by the treatment of the workers, many of
whom died at work and were buried into the sides of the tunnels
The family returned to UK and settled in Connahs Quay just prior to WW1.
Jack was pardoned.
Mary Ann Stockton married into the Evans-Sweeny family and had sons
Edwin and William (Billy) who still live in Connahs Quay, as do their
Some of the Smiths went to Barrow in Furness where their descendants
Many descendants still live in North Wales. I believe that contact with
family and friends continued until the 1950/60's but as the older
members of the family died contacts stopped
I don't know what happened to the O'Briens
If anyone remembers these families I would be so pleased if they would
contact me. Any information would be a gift for me
Thank you, Gill Smith in North Wales
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