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From: "Yvonne Purdy" <>
Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Powell connection to James Joseph Shipman
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:18:13 -0000
In-Reply-To: <9ec15ed20612300253k1ad32eb1u800c5a86d8820848@mail.gmail.com>


Hi John,

Many thanks for your reply, and the gentle 'push' into lateral thinking
(never my strong point, takes me a while to get there). I think your point
1. is correct, although I think it must be a half sister to get to the
Shipman connection.

I've started again with Joseph Powell. So far, I think his baptism shows on
Cheshire Parish Register Database as 24 December 1815, son of Isabell
Powell, widow of Little Meols. There is a marriage on IGI of Joseph Powell
to Isabella Davies on 31 December 1814, St. Peter, Liverpool, so Joseph
Powell, snr., must have died between December 1814 and December 1815.

The IGI gives a marriage of Isabella Powell to Robert Youd on 23 January
1820, at St. Peter Church, Liverpool.

I've checked on Ancestry BMD's, and James Joseph Shipman's birth is
registered in Liverpool in 1863, Jul/Aug/Sept qtr. Liverpool.

Very oddly, there is a baptism in St. Bridget's, West Kirby on 7 April 1867,
James Joseph Shipman, son of James and Mary Shipman, Tailor, Liverpool.

Why the delay of nearly four years to baptise him?

Lancashirebmd gives a marriage of a James Shipman to Mary Youde in St.
Peter, 1862.

Was Mary Youde a child of Robert Youd and Isabella Powell (above), which
would make her a half-sister to Joseph Powell jnr.?

Can anyone place any of the above?

Many thanks and regards,
Yvonne
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From:
[mailto:]On Behalf Of John Kane
Sent: 30 December 2006 10:54
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Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Powell connection to James Joseph Shipman

Yvonne

I'm new to this (joined the list yesterday) so apologies for stating the
obvious but have you exhausted each of these possibilities?

1. Joseph Powell had a sister who married a Shipman
2. Jane McIver had a sister who married a Shipman
3. Jane McIver's former husband Mr Hughes had a sister married to a
Shipman (she'd still refer to him as her nephew)

John
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On 30/12/06, Yvonne Purdy <> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> In 1881 census Hoose
> RG11/3573, folio 34, page 16, schedule 72, Lake Place
>
> Joseph POWELL, Head, Mar, 67, Fisherman, Hoylake
> Jane POWELL, Wife, Mar, 73, Liverpool
> William SWIFT, Grandson, Unmar, 22, Baker, Liverpool
> John Henry BIRD, Grandson, 10, Scholar, Little Meols
> Oscar Jones BIRD, Grandson, 8, Scholar, Little Meols
> James Joseph SHIPMAN, Nephew, Unmar, 17, Plumber, Liverpool
>
> Jane POWELL (formerly HUGHES, nee McIVER) is my 3 x gt. grandmother, with
> her second husband Joseph POWELL.
>
> I have been unable to find the SHIPMAN connection to the
> Powell's. Please,
> can anyone help?
>
> Many thanks,
> Yvonne


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