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From: "lorraine.williams" <>
Subject: Re: [ENG-MERSEYSIDE] Census Look Up
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:00:54 -0000
In-Reply-To: <cad3689a0901050651q2dce3aafg640f71941c5fb9ad@mail.gmail.com>


Hi Christopher,

I understand now. I had a quick look in 1871, but didn't find anything. So
I looked in 1861 and here is the family I believe you are looking for...

1861 England Census
about Richard Leadbetter
Name: Richard Leadbetter
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Speke, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Speke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub registration district: Hale
ED, institution, or vessel: 4c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Leadbetter 46
Ann Leadbetter 42
Mary Leadbetter 11
Ann Leadbetter 10
John Leadbetter 7
William Leadbetter 5
Richard Leadbetter 3
Thomas Leadbetter 1

>From this, it looks like Mary (widow in 1881) is actually the sister of
Richard and John.

Would you like the image?

Regards,

Lorraine




Hello Lorriane

Many thanks for your help and for being so prompt.

The information I got from from the helpful Liverpool Geneaology group
stated that Mary Jane in question was (in theory) the daughter of Mary (31
year old, widowed and sister of Richard according to the 1881 census). I was
told that it is likely she married a cousin hence her surname Leadbetter
even though she was widowed.

They found the following via Ancestry (paid service) Mary Jane born 1875,
William Richard, born 1873 and Martha Ann born 1871 all with parents as John
and Mary so that was how it was assumed with John being the father. I do
have Mary Jane's exact date/place of marriage and death in the USA but not
the name of her parents which is pretty frustrating!! I am led to believe
that John died before 1881.

I hope this helps.

Thank you.

Kind regards


Christopher

On 05/01/2009, lorraine.williams <> wrote:
>
> Hello Chris,
>
> Surely this is Mary Jane in 1881...
>
> 1881 England Census
> about Mary J. Leadbetter
> Name: Mary J. Leadbetter
> Age: 5
> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
> Relation: Daughter
> Father's Name: Richard
> Gender: Female
> Where born: Speke, Lancashire, England
>
> Civil Parish: Speke
> County/Island: Lancashire
> Country: England
>
> Street address: 56 Cottage
>
> Registration district: Prescot
> Sub registration district: Hale
> ED, institution, or vessel: 3
> Neighbors: View others on page
> Household Members: Name Age
> Richard Leadbetter 23
> William Leadbetter 25
> Mary Leadbetter 31
> William Leadbetter 7
> Mary J. Leadbetter 5
> John J. Leadbetter 1
> Emma Leadbetter 18
>
> This shows Richard as the unmarried father with 3 children (?).
> Where do you get John from?
> I can send you the image if you like or have you already got them in 1881?
> I can look on 1871 and 1861 for you, but we need to make sure we are
> looking
> for the right people.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Lorraine
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Happy new year.
>
> This is my first here. I am interested in Leadbetter from the
> Speke/Garston/Hale area (Merseyside). I am helping my USA cousin track
down
> her ancestors in particular her 2nd great grandmother Mary Jane Leadbetter
> and her parents. She was born in 1875, Garston. We do not know her parents
> name as yet but possibly John and Mary. Would some kind soul please look
on
> the 1861 and 1871 censuses for John believed to have been born in
> Speke/Garston/Hale if possible.
>
> Any advice will be gladly received.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Christopher M. Wyer

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