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Subject: Re: [STOWLIST] Barnard
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:00:31 +0100 (CET)


John and Jorg,
I don't know much about William and Ann(e) but they could well be the William and Ann married at Stowmarket 27th April 1817. Note - both surnames are BARNARD. SRO FB221/D2/11 Marriages 1813-1837 (page 20, entry no. 59). He being bachelor and she spinster by Samuel JONES curate witnessed by Mary ?????? and Robert ENEFER.
I have references on William being a gardener 1819, 1831, 1836, 1852, 1861 and of him being a labourer in 1821. His birth date approximates to 1789. He died 1876 aged 87 years and was buried at St Marys Combs 24th August 1876.
Ann(e) was born about 1794 at Wagworth, Suffolk. In 1881 she was listed as widow aged 87 of Needham or Ipswich Road, Combs. Her daughter Emma BARNARD aged 62, unmarried, was her housekeeper at that time.
Emma BARNARD in 1891 housekeeper, servant, single aged 72 was at the Camping Land at Stowmarket. She was baptised 23rd May 1819 at Combs SRO FB 211/D1/9 (page 15 entry no.118) by Chris. LAWSON Curate.
William BARNARD was baptised 20th April 1821 at Combs SRO 211/D1/9 (page 21 entry no. 164) also by Chris. LAWSON Curate. He married Mary Ann HARVEY at Combs 27th March 1852 witnessed by Caroline BARNARD, Sarah BRUCE and William HARVEY. Mary Ann HARVEY was the daughter of William HARVEY cabinet maker. By 1881 she was living with her daughter and son-in-law at Ipswich.
Jane BARNARD baptised 12th June 1831 at Combs SRO FB 211/D1/9 (page 46 entry no. 361) by Robert LONGE Curate.
Charles BARNARD baptised the same day as his sister above (entry no. 362).
Henry BARNARD born 31st July 1833, baptised 22nd June 1836 at Combs (page 63 entry no. 503) by Richard DANIEL Rector.
Lois BARNARD (daughter) born 23rd May 1835, baptised 22nd June 1836 at Combs (page 63 entry no. 504) also by Richard DANIEL - it must have been cheaper getting them done in pairs! Lois married Robert GIRLING 4th December 1861 at Combs. Robert was a policeman in 1861, the son of William GIRLING, turnpike keeper. Witnesses were William SALMON and Ellen SMITH.
Caroline BARNARD - can find no baptism for her. She married William SALMON, gardener of Stowmarket, son of John SALMON a farmer. Witnesses were Emma BARNARD, Ellen SMITH and Joseph WRIGHT. By 1881 they had three children
I am not sure who William (senior)'s parents were but there is a possibility that he was the son of Charles BARNARD and Ann COE.
I hope this helps,
Ashley.

> Message Received: Jan 05 2006, 12:13 AM
> From: "John Bland"
> To:
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [STOWLIST] Barnard
>
> As a subscriber to Ancestry.co.uk , one thing I can do is check census
> Returns where the indexing is good enough.
>
> A long shot, and the dates do not quite fit but one possiblity is a Charles
> Barnard who appears on the 1861 census at Rothwell, Lincolnshire, which is
> why you may not have been able to find him in the past. The reference is
> RG9/2392/8/100/75 . This Charles is shown as unmarried aged 28 (that's where
> it falls down) born in Stonemarket, Suffolk (obviously the enumerator who
> noted the details had problems with the Suffolk accent. The positive fact
> about this Charles is that his occupation is shown as a Gardener!
>
> He was in the household of a John Audiss a Farm Bailiff. There are other
> staff in the household such as Carter's as well as family members but there
> was also a Yorkshire born Engineer in the household which suggests that
> there may have been some work being carried out which required the services
> of an Engineer and a Gardener.
>
> This particular Charles does not appear to be on the 1871 census (although
> this could be due to poor indexing) so perhaps if he was yours then he could
> be in Germany.
>
> Taking the step back to 1851, given the information you have regarding his
> parents, I think that the family at HO107/1794/3c/528/93 at Ipswich Road,
> Combs is yours:-
>
> William Barnard Head Mar 59 Gardener Born Stowmarket
> Ann Barnard Wife Mar 55 B O Newton
> William Barnard son unm 29 Gardener B Combs
> Caroline Barnard dau unm 25 B Combs
> Charles Barnard son unm 21 Gardener B Combs
> Louisa Barnard dau unm 16 B Combs
>
> In 1841 the family were on Combs Turnpike (presumably the old name for
> Ipswich Road before it was adopted by the relevant local authority
> (HO107/1035/2/12) The details recorded in 1841 were less detailed
>
> William Barnard 45 Gardener BIC (Born in County)
> Ann Barnard 40 BIC
> William Barnard 20 BIC
> Carol Barnard 15 BIC
> Charles Barnard 10 BIC
> Jane Barnard 8 BIC
> Henry Barnard 6 BIC
> Lousa Barnard 5 BIC
>
> I will send you the census images off list except 1841, as this is on a
> different website (British Origins)
>
> Despite the age discrepancies, I feel sure that these references relate to
> your Charles.Is it possible that the date 1836 may have been miswritten and
> should have been 1830?
>
> Now down to the Barnard experts out there to see if they have the marriage
> for William and Ann!
>
> Good Luck!
>
> John R G Bland
> Spalding
> Lincolnshire
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jörg Barnard"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:07 PM
> Subject: [STOWLIST] Barnard
>
>
> > Dear Ashley,
> > Dear participants of ENG-SFK-STOWMARKET,
> >
> > maybe you remember, I was in contact with Ashley Barnard some years ago,
> > but we havn't found an answer to my questions.
> > I try to follow this forum since years, but sometimes I had some problems
> > to
> > understand all the details exactly.
> > But at the moment I saw that there is a great searching for some
> > Barnard's
> > families, so I would like to start again.
> >
> > I'm searching for my families roots in Suffolk, the only information I
> > have
> > is this about my GGfather, who must have gone to Germany sometimes in the
> > middle of the 19th century. The information about his person are from the
> > original certificate of death that I have, the text at the bottom is from
> > an
> > german article about the 'Wildpferdepark of the Duke of Croy at Duelmen
> > (West-Germany, between Dortmund und Muenster)
> > Carl (might be ‘germanized’ version of Charles) Barnard * 04.04.1836 Combs
> > (Stowmarket) † 25.07.1894 Dülmen
> >
> > Son of
> >
> > William Barnard
> >
> > Anna Barnard
> >
> >
> >
> > The information I found in the internet about Carl is this (translated
> > from
> > german):
> >
> > …To the beginning of the 19th century the Duke of Croy had met the English
> > garden artist Sir Edward Milner and saw his outlines for representative
> > parks in London. So he received the order to lay out an English landscape
> > park at the ducal castle in Dülmen. Milner came to Dülmen in 1846, marked
> > an area out of 300 hectares and drew up a plan for the redesignof the
> > woods,
> > meadows and areas of arable land to a grand one landscape park. Within the
> > following decades the planning was realized by Milner's gardener master
> > Barnard. …
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would be very glad if someone could help me to find out where in the
> > number of Barnard families my GGfather belongs to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I please to pardon my not so perfect English, I hope my mail is
> > understandable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> >
> >
> > Jörg Barnard
> >
> >
> >
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