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From: "Ann Ryder" <>
Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] a murder in East Coker
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:26:10 +0100
References: <000901c8c2b6$90232d40$0200a8c0@annpc> <4840AC0D.9040804@bigpond.com><003301c8c50c$9eb21710$0200a8c0@annpc><48449D4B.4090808@bigpond.com>


Hi Anne,

Thank you for your help & info sent, I will have look into getting a
certificate.

I am in contact with a g grandson of Robert & Mary, I will see I he has
found out any more about them since I last contact him a few weeks ago .

I hope your weather is better than ours , it has been pouring with rain all
day

> The1841 census for Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset looks like the
> <
> one who married Robert Lacey a thatcher.I thought you said she was b c
> 1854 <

Yes she was born c 1854 my mistake

Thanks again Ann

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Chambers" <>
To: "Somerset List" <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] a murder in East Coker


> Ann Ryder wrote:
>> Hi Anne,
>>
>>
>> Sorry I thought I had replied to your posting.
>>
>> Thank you very much for the 1841 census, I wonder where George was? I
>> think
>> this is the marriage, George Hain to Mary Hill in Yeovil District in Sep
>> 1845
>
> If there was a 12 year old in 1848 (therefore born 1836), possibly
> George had a previous marriage.
>
> If George had a child b 1836, he must have been born before 1820,
> probably well before...
>
> these are the only George Hain* in 1841 living in Somerset that fit
>
> George Haine abt 1816 Somerset, England Ditcheat, Somerset
>
> George Haine abt 1816 Somerset, England Tintinhull, Somerset
>
> George Haines abt 1801 Somerset, England Huntspill, Somerset
>
> Geo Hains abt 1813 Somerset, England Wedmore, Somerset
>
>
> None are weavers...the only apparently unmarried one (Tintinhull) is a
> male servant on a farm.
>
>> In the East Coker Burials 1813-1885 Hain Mary East Coker 28 May 1848 age
>> 31
>> this looks like his late wife.
>> The1841 census for Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset looks like the
>> one who married Robert Lacey a thatcher.
>
> I thought you said she was b c 1854 ? In 1881, the Mary b 1835 would
> have been 46 - according to the 1881 census, Mary Ann Lacey was 29, so
> they cannot be the same...OTOH, the 1835 Mary could well be the
> *daughter* of George and whoever his first wife was. In 1841, she is
> living with John and Elizabeth Hain...BUT she is the only member of the
> family NOT born in Somerset. So if her father were the George Hain who
> murdered his wife, his first wife may have died and he possibly left the
> child with his ?brother?. Given the big gap in ages between the
> children in the newspaper report, I'd say this is a possibility. I've
> sent you the 1841 image.
>
> There is a Jane Hain who might fit
> Deaths Jun 1838
> Hain Jane Yeovil 10 412
>
> The only way to find out for sure if there is a connection is to get the
> marriage certificate for Mary Ann who married Robert Lacey and see who
> her father was.
> Marriages Dec 1873
> HAINE Mary Ann Yeovil 5c 902
>
> The 1845 marriage certificate should also say whether or not George was
> a widower.
>
> HTH
>
> Anne
> South Australia
>>
>> Thank once again, Ann
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anne Chambers" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ENG-SOM] a murder in East Coker
>>
>>
>>> I thought I might find the eldest child's name in the 1841 census but,
>>> although there were a few HAINs in East Coker in 1841, there was no
>>> George or Mary of an appropriate age
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Hain abt 1801 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Hain abt 1832 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> George Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> John Hain abt 1796 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> John Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> Joseph Hain abt 1825 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> Mary Hain abt 1835 East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> Phillip Hain abt 1838 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> Samson Hain abt 1830 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> Samuel Hain abt 1826 Somerset, England East Coker, Somerset
>>>
>>> Anne
>>> South Australia
>>>
>>>
>>> Ann Ryder wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have found a lengthy news paper report of a murder in East Coker.
>>>>
>>>> It states that George Haine a weaver murdered his wife Mary on the 24
>>>> May
>>>> 1848, they had three children, no names given only ages, one of twelve,
>>>> the
>>>> next one and a half, and the other five months.
>>>>
>>>> the neighbours were
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Randle, Mrs Saint, a woman named Gillingham lived three doors
>>>> away,
>>>> Charles Saint, Mary Randle, Eliza Bartlet, a woman named Creek, Samuel
>>>> Conden a mason, who lived next door on the left- hand side, Ann Saint
>>>> lived
>>>> next door on the right hand side, A surgeon named Mr Hansted was called
>>>> to
>>>> the house, Dr Nesbit of Yeovil attended the post mortem, Mr Prideaux
>>>> addressed the Jury, Mr Justice Coleridge summed up the case, George
>>>> Haine
>>>> was transported for life. I have more info if anyone is interested.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Mary A Haine ( born c 1854 East Coker) Who Married Robert
>>>> Lacey
>>>> c
>>>> 1873 ?, Would any one know
>>>>
>>>> anything about these families, are they related if so I would be
>>>> delighted
>>>> to hear.
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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