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From: "Derek Sadler" <>
Subject: [WES] Fw: Thompson Family Tree
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:25:13 +0100


----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Sadler <>
To: gail elsharief <>
Sent: 27 May 2003 16:04
Subject: Re: Thompson Family Tree


> Hi Gail,
> Thanks for the message. I'm not sure that the two branches of the
Thompsons
> will tie in as there were so many Thompson families in that area. But here
> goes anyway.
> My 2x Great Grandfather John Thompson was married in Ambleside in 1837 to
> Mary Donaldson from Troutbeck. John was described as coming from
> Sizerfelside in the parish of Heversham. He and Mary set up home and
farmed
> from that time until his death in 1885, at Low Crag, Underbarrow. He was
> always described as a Statesman,
> ( a north country equivalent of Yeoman ). Everything I have managed to
> establish about him would indicate his birth year as 1806 or 1807. In the
> 1851 and 1871 Census Returns he gave his birthplace as Heversham but in
the
> 1881 Census he puts his birhplace as Levens. So you will gather from this
> that I have hit a brick wall regarding his parentage. Keith Thompson has
> given me a lot of help with this, as Keith has done a lot of research on
the
> Thompson name in Westmorland. He has deposited in his name at Kendal
Record
> Office a Thompson one name study. I have lots of other information
relating
> to John's offspring and if you would like to see this just drop me a note
> off list.
>
> Hope this is helpful,
>
> Regards,
>
> Derek Sadler ( in a warm but dismal Northumberland )
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gail elsharief <>
> To: <>
> Sent: 26 May 2003 21:14
> Subject: Thompson Family Tree
>
>
> > Dear Derek
> >
> >
> >
> > I notice from the Westmorland Rootsweb Mailing List, Members Interests,
> > that you are researching the Thompson's in Underbarrow and Helsington,
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is the information I have on the 2 'Thompsons' in my family tree.
> >
> >
> >
> > Source: Various
> >
> > "Anne Thompson married John Mackereth (John was born in Underbarrow) on
> > Monday 12th November 1838 at Heversham Church, Heversham, Westmorland.
> > Both were of full age but neither Anne of John's fathers were entered on
> > their marriage certificate. The marriage was performed after banns and
> > John Thompson witnessed this marriage. Was this Anne's brother?
> >
> > Know addresses:
> >
> > Natland - 1841.
> >
> > Low Barrows Green where John farmed 70 acres - 1861 - 1871. John's trade
> > - Ag. Lab - 1841. Husbandman - 1849. A farmer - 1851. I think John's
> > father was also called John and his mother Mary ?? Anne Thompson's
> > father was William and mother Isabella, she had two brothers
> >
> > John and Joseph and a sister called Margaret, The family lived at
> > Barrows Green, Stainton - 1841". I have based the 'full age' being 21 to
> > try to approximate a year of birth (1817).
> >
> >
> >
> > Source: FreeBMD
> >
> > Marriages Dec 1838
> >
> > Ann Thompson
> >
> > District Kendal
> >
> > Volume 25
> >
> > Page 483
> >
> >
> >
> > The following may/may not be the correct entry:
> >
> > 1881 Census from Mormon Site (printout):
> >
> > Birthyear: 1813
> >
> > Birthplace: Helsington, Westmorland, England.
> >
> > Age: 68
> >
> > Occupation: Farmer of 74 Arres (in 1881)
> >
> > Widdowed
> >
> > Head of the household.
> >
> > Dwelling: Barrows Green
> >
> > Census Place: Stainton, Westmorland, England.
> >
> > Family History Library Film 1342257
> >
> > Public Records Office Ref: RG11
> >
> > Piece/Folio: 5216/45
> >
> > Page Number 10
> >
> >
> >
> > If I have the correct family: There is a grandson called Robert A, aged
> > 2, listed in the 1881 census. There is no mention of who the mother or
> > father is but he could be the child of either of two of her children who
> > were still at home - Robert or Edith M (he could be of any of the
> > others also) . There is a Thomas Dixon, age 18 - a farm servant and a
> > Bessy Dent, age 15 - general servant (indoors) on the census - could
> > perhaps he be the child of Edith M (who would have been 17/18 at the
> > time of birth) and Thomas Dixon (who would have only been 15/16 at
> > birth!). Robert Mackereth leaves home and gets married the following
> > year (in 1882).
> >
> >
> >
> > Ann Mackereth (nee Thompson). Her name is spelt Ann (not Anne) on Robert
> > Mackereth's birth certificate. In the 1881 census she is listed as Ann
> > Mackereth aged 68, which puts her birth at 1812/1813. I looked on the
> > Family Search website and found an Ann Thompson born on 25th Oct 1812 in
> > Natland with parents William and Isabella. I think this could be her. On
> > the same website I have found a William Thompson born in 1786 in Natland
> > and an Isabella with spouse William Thompson born about 1790 in Natland.
> > They married in 1811. I have found another reference to a William
> > Thompson who married Isabella Dawson on 23 Dec 1811 in Kendal. I don't
> > know if this is the correct William Thompson, but Isabella's maiden name
> > Dawson would fit with one of Robert Mackereth's brothers being Joseph
> > Dawson Mackereth.
> >
> >
> >
> > After obtaining this information I ammended Ann's estimated birth year
> > (1817) and place of birth (Helsington) from my records and substituted
> > (25th Oct 1812) and (Natland) but I am not 100% confident that the
> > information is correct. I may have to amend her details again, and her
> > place of birth may still be Helsington.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lived at Barrows Green, Stainton - 1841.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would be grateful if you could check whether we are researching the
> > same family and get back to me when you know.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Gail
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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