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Subject: Re: Charles English
Date: 27 Jun 2005 09:38:41 -0600

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Surnames: Washburn, English, Cavanaugh, Corn, Morman / Moorman
Classification: Query

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Ron, I have printed the same Ohio, Christian County 1850 and 1860 census you show for the family of James ENGLISH.

I'm curious to know if you have discovered any information which might be of help or interest to me.

My interest is the daughter Lucy ENGLISH, age 8 in 1850 and age 17 in 1860 . . . who might be the person I am looking for as a mother to my WASHBURN great grandfather.

I am long searching for parents of my great grandfather, Robert E. WASHBURN, b 1865 MO. he 1910 census St. Louis, MO before his death showed his father from IL and mother from MO. His 1910 St. Louis City death certificate with info provided by his 2nd wife Mary E. CAVANAUGH showed that she did not know his father (so he was likely deceased by their 1896 marriage), but she apparently thought his mother was Lucy CORN. I'm taking all this census and death cert. info with a grain of salt as I have turned up no info to show anything other than this record--which I think is my great grandfather with his mother in 1870---- (also have 2 possibilities for Robert in 1880, but no proof, and nothing more on the Louisa mother)------

1870 census, Springfield, Campbell twp, MO in the household of Martha KING and son, a "Louisa WASHBURN, age 24, seamstress, MO and son Robert, 5, MO.

Robert's first marriage was 1888 to an Anna / Annie MORMAN / MOORMAN ? spelling, Springfield, MO.(online marriage records) and July 1888, Anna was granted a divorce from Robert WASHBURN. (online Springfield, MO court record) . .

By this time--1888--, Robert was composing, writing and publishing his own music --waltzes, marches, schottishes, music of the era--and was probably often away from home or living in St. Louis where I find him in the 1890 St. Louis City Directory with the occupation of "music"-- (plus I have some of his music and many if not all of the lead plates used to print it) . . . and on the 1900 and 1910 census he is a musician and then has a band. This I know to be true from family information --he had a 'family band'--. .. passed along to me by my mother, the daughter of his son Robert Edward Lee Washburn, b 1897 St. Louis--who is my grandfather I know the son played piano, trumpet, and other instruments .. . have a photo of him with a trumpet.

OK---so I've got a great grandfather musician named Robert E. WASHBURN, b 1865 MO, father maybe from IL and mother maybe from MO named Lulu (or Louisa) with 1910 census showing his 2 marriages and 3 children by the 2nd marriage to Mary E. Cavanaugh. Their son Robert, b 1897 is my grandfather and he too was a musician from childhood to young adulthood.

With that in mind, I was pleased to just find this Civil War record of a man who might have married a Lucy B. English:

Samuel S. WASHBURN, Franklin County, Indiana, enlisted June 19 1861 as a "Musician" in Company C, 13th Infantry Regiment Indiana (Union), rec'd a disability discharge from this outfit Nov. 23 1862.

Next I find this Christian County Illinois marriage record:
Samuel S. WASHBURN married Nov. 22, 1864 to Lucy B. ENGLISH, Christian County, Court Records Film #0987611.

The only problem in my mind with the Samuel S. WASHBURN musician in the Union Army is that the son Robert E. WASHBURN b 1865 MO named his firstborn son Robert Edward Lee WASHBURN---a very Southern name from the Confederate General Robert E. Lee. (And all I have is family lore that the 1865 born Robert was also Rob't E.L. . . . all his music uses just Robert E. WASHBURN.

But right now, the Samuel S. WASHBURN who married Lucy B. ENGLISH in Nov. 1864 in Christian Co., IL fits pretty good as possible parents for a son Robert b Sept to Dec. 1865 MO who claimed in 1910 that his father was from Illinois. The MO birthplace for his mother on the 1910 census as well as MO showing up on the 1870 census for Louisa Unknown is a problem however, as Lucy B. English appears to have been born in Ohio.

Interested in hearing from you or anyone with any thoughts or information on this couple.

Audrey Williams Stanaland
Loudon, TN

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