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From: "Brian Coker" <>
Subject: Re: [EOLFHS-MEMBERS] Mariners
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:03:49 -0400
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Hi Beverly. Had an ancestor who employed barge crews his books list a higher
fee for oarsman and another fee for sailor both listed as crew of a barge
/lighter transferring wood to the Regent canal dock Brian Coker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beverly Porter" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [EOLFHS-MEMBERS] Mariners


>I have two Bethnal Green ancestors who were described on the 1851 census as
> being an oarman and a sailor, respectively. They were relatively young,
> 18
> and 20. Did these occupational descriptions hold any specific meaning or
> were they simply used for the lower level seamen?
>
> Beverly Fearn Porter, Columbia, MD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Austen" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [EOLFHS-MEMBERS] Mariners
>
>
>> Although unrelated except by inference, the term navigators was given to
>> the
>> labourers who excavated the canal system, giving rise to the term navvy,
>> which was still in common usage when I lift England in 1970. Regards Joe
>> Austen in OZ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "J.Horsey" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 5:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [EOLFHS-MEMBERS] Mariners
>>
>>
>>> Yes, seafaring, but not necessarily very far. My uncle's ancestors
>>> sailed
>>> &
>>> later built Thames barges on the Essex coastal estuaries. Many dozens
>>> of
>>> barges simply plied their trade up & down the Thames & just round to the
>>> Essex & Kent coasts near the estuary. They carried meat in various
>>> forms -
>>> esp wild fowl from the marshes, cattle, sheep - for food; grain, beet,
>>> rushes & straw for horse feed & bedding, [remember how many thousands
>>> there
>>> were in the city pulling carts/ coaches / carriages etc etc that needed
>>> feeding] On their return trips they brought out the many hundreds of
>>> tons
>>> of manure from the stables in London which was then spread on the fields
>>> of
>>> Essex & Kent to enrich the soil so that more crops could be grown for
>>> food
>>> for the city.
>>> A simple, but necessary, regular trade & income, but they were still
>>> 'Mariners' [Mate / second mate etc] and in late C19 had to sit their
>>> Masters
>>> certificates as did 'normal' mariners who travelled the world.
>>> Some barges did venture across the channel as well and further up and
>>> down
>>> the east & south coasts.
>>>
>>> Many of the 'Thames Barge' / 'Sailing Barge' web sites carry this &
>>> other
>>> information.
>>> Jan Horsey
>>>
>>>
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