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From: "Pam Downes" <>
Subject: Re: New subscribers - our interests: CASS, PLAYLE, SHEPPARD
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 19:12:40 -0000
References: <MABBLHOJGCGFDADBOCPLOEPJCJAA.S_and_J.Goldsmith@LineOne.net>


Hi Steve & Jan,

Re your Playle puzzle, you say that you searched online for Joseph's death,
but you didn't say which site you had searched.
There's http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/ which is the online version of
the GRO Index.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ is the free-to-view but as yet incomplete
version of the GRO Index.

If you only looked at FreeBMD then you will need to look at the full GRO
Index. Depending on where you live, in the UK the Index is available at the
Family Records Centre in London; usually at all county Record
Offices/Archives; and complete up to a certain date (1920+ I think, though
may be later) at Family History Centres run by the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-Day Saints.

Stafford is city/county. Stratford is the one in London.

I would check the original 1881 census image to ensure that there are no
transcription errors.

I would then try to find Joseph's baptism record as a double check on his
age and / or find Joseph and Emma in earlier census. Also, have you found
Joseph and Emma's marriage certficate, which again should be able to confirm
his age (though the number of lies our ancestors told should have ensured
that our generation have noses like Pinnochio's!)

Another thought - does it definitely say Emma is a widow on the 1891 census?
As in 'wid' as opposed to just 'w' as I always have great difficulty
deciphering M W and U in the conditions box. Have you checked for Joseph on
the 1891 census? He could have been in a 'hospital' (poor house?). He could
have left home for some reason and Emma described herself as a widow.

And one further thought - have you looked for Joseph's death in the June
quarter of 1891? If the census was on say April 6th but Joseph died on April
5th, then Emma would be a widow on census day but Joseph's death would be
recorded in the June quarter. Ditto if he died within the last couple of
days of March and the death wasn't registered until the next quarter.

I have now run out of thoughts!

Pam Downes





----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr S and Mrs J Goldsmith" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:16 PM
Subject: New subscribers - our interests: CASS, PLAYLE, SHEPPARD


> Hi,
>
> Have just subscribed, and these are our interests:
>
> CASS
> SHEPPARD
>
> John SHEPPARD was born at Parndon c1852 and married Alice Amelia CASS at
> Great Parndon in 1876. Alice Amelia CASS was born at Stansted in 1860.
> They had a daughter, Florence Mary, born at Royden Hamlet in 1879 who
> married William John PLAYLE at Enfield in 1898. We'd be very interested
in
> any other information about the CASS and SHEPPARD families. Incidentally,
> Alice CASS'S father is not identified on either her birth or marriage
> certificates.
>
> As to the PLAYLE family, we have come across a puzzle which we are hoping
> that someone might be able to cast some light upon. We have traced
> grandparent (William PLAYLE and Florence SHEPPARD)'s marriage to Enfield
and
> have noted that great-grandfather (Joseph) was already dead. We have
found
> William's birth (at Acton, 1878) and have found the family in the 1881
> census at an address in Acton. A search of the 1891 census find the
family
> but with great-grandmother (Emma) described as a widow living in the same
> street as that stated on the certicate of William's marriage.
>
> It's here that we would really appreciate any comments, help or advice.
> We've searched on line for an entry of the death of Joseph PLAYLE between
> 1881 and 1891 and only one seemed that it could refer to our Joseph; the
> others were too old or too young - or so we thought. We bought the death
> certificate and found that this particular deceased was living at
> Walthamstow. We thought all was well until we checked back on the 1881
> census and found the same person was at Walthamstow in 1881. So it
doesn't
> look like we have the right person after all. In the 1881 census, his
place
> of birth is given as Stafford - don't know whether the one now in east
> London or as in the city/county.
>
> Assuming that Joseph really was dead by the time of the 1891 census, is
> there some unusual way that his death might have been recorded so that we
> have not been able to find it in 'conventional' records?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve and Jan Goldsmith
>
>
>
>

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