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Subject: Re: Hourtal, Combes
Date: 18 Dec 2005 04:09:02 -0700
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In checking Ancestry.com I find that Gabriel Hourtal was married in
Manhattan, New York in 1884. The following is the information as shown.
New York City Marriages, 1600s-1800s Record
about Gabriel Hourtal
Name: Gabriel Marriage Date: Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York,
New York Certificate Number: 38662 Other Comments: See Family History
Library catalog for films 1543971-1562446 (Manhattan) and Film 1653852
(Brooklyn), for actual certificate. Source: Marriage Registers, Extracts from
Manhattan (1869-1880) and Brooklyn (1895-1897) Publisher: Dept. of Health,
Division of Vital Statistics, New York. Publication Place: New York, NY
He was living in 1910 in Jersey City, New Jersey with his wife Anna, born in
England, and children. This census is very faint, and difficult to read. The
eldest son living at home may be the Celestin to whom you referred. There is
a daughter whose name I cannot read, and a son Gabriel born 1898. The
following refers to the death of this son, also from Ancestry.
Social Security Death Index Record
about Gabriel Hourtal
Name: Gabriel SSN: 037-01-7977 Last Residence: 02886 Warwick, Kent,
Rhode Island, United States of America Born: 14 Nov 14 N Last Benefit: 02888
Warwick, Kent, Rhode Island, United States of America Died: Oct 1977
This is Celestin in 1910 on the census as listed by Ancestry. He has a son
named Celestin Jr, a son named Franklin, and a daughter named Madelene.
1930 United States Federal Census Record
about Celestin Hourtal
Name: Celestin Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Birthplace: New York Relation to head-of-house: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Hourtal
Race: White Home in 1930: Queens, Queens, New York
There is a listing on the 1920 census of Gabriel Jr. being listed on a
military ship in California as a fireman, but he returned to the east coast
afterwards and died in Rhode Island. The following information comes from his
draft registration card where he signed his name as Clestin Henry Hourtal. At the
time of his registration he is working at the Fischer Body Co. in Detroit.
For years Chevrolet advertised their cars as, "body by Fischer." Detroit is
the home of the American automobile industry.
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record
about Clestin Henry Hourtal
Name: Clestin Henry Clestin City: Detroit County: Wayne State: Michigan
Birthplace: New York;United States of America Birth Date: 9 Jan 1888
Race: Caucasian Roll: 2023692 DraftBoard: 2
I cannot find Gabriel, the father, on the census after 1910. It is possible
he was living with another child. His wife was apparently named Anna.
Gabrel's record of entry to the United States is as follows from Ancestry.
View Record Name Arrival Date Estimated Birth Year Gender Port of
Departure Place of Origin Ship Name View Ship Image View Passenger List _View
Record_ (javascript:go7488_6804416()) Gabriel Gabriel 3 Oct 1879 abt 1854
Male Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland France Adriatic
I hope this helps. Thank you for the information on the Combes surname. I
will have to look into the origins of Richard. I have another ancestor,
Claudius Pegues whose father left Rodez, France, married in Switzerland and
settled in London where Claudius was born. The son came to the colonies in the
1700s and had two sons who fought in the Revolutionary War. This family also had
left France due to the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes. Perhaps I have
more than one French ancestor. I should have taken French in school instead of
Spanish.
I posted this on the Fra Midi-Pryenees rootsweb list first and then realized your reply from from this forum. So you may get this once, or you may get it 2 times.
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