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From: "Mary Trevan" <>
Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:09:57 +0100
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I wondered who would be the 1st to mention Windows 7 beta!

Mary Trevan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Richards" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List


> Ian
>
> Your posting has only just come up on the syndicates list
>
> I'm currently trying out the beta of Windows 7. It is supposed to work
> in much the same way as Vista. WinBMD worked first time. By default
> the output files go into program files/WinBMD/output.
>
> I could try out the new version for you and see what it does.
>
> Christopher Richards
>
> I could try
>
> Ian Brooke wrote:
>> It's somewhat more complicated than you suggest " if it does not start
>> with
>> (My )Documents, ask " - there are no requirements in Windows on the name
>> given to My Documents. The majority of people would leave it as that but
>> it
>> really can be called anything and exist anywhere and this is further
>> complicated by Vista's seemingly bisarre habits in locating folders, it
>> certainly would never "start with My Documents" and may not have "My
>> Documents" in the path.
>>
>> I'm not entirely sure about your point on questioning the user if they
>> want
>> to move the folder. Do you mean every time WinBMD runs and finds it's
>> not
>> under My Documents or just the first time it finds it not there? Clearly
>> if
>> it's just the first time then I'm going to need a "question asked" flag
>> but
>> asking every time would I think be quite annoying. Are we sure that
>> transcribers are going to know whether they should be answering Yes or No
>> to
>> that questions or are we going to flood the lists with people asking what
>> this means and what they should do?
>>
>> My purpose in using multiple flags was to try to avoid problems and I
>> think
>> I'm still going to have to do that, plus an additional flag about the
>> question. The "folder created" flag was intended to overcome a problem
>> if
>> there was already a folder below My Documents with my proposed name -
>> it's
>> very unlikely but possible. The files copied flag was to overcome a
>> problem
>> if the machine crashed or closed down between creating the folder and
>> completing copying all the files (that copy could take some time). With
>> those 2 flags I can easily restart at the appropriate point.
>>
>> Part of my problem is that I don't have access to a Vista computer so I
>> can't check what WinBMD would be showing as the path to it's folder. It
>> *should* be the case that if I call the Windows routine to get the path
>> to
>> My Documents then that should match what WinBMD has stored as the
>> starting
>> part of the path to it's Output folder but that's a guess. What I'm
>> going
>> to need to do is produce a version which puts the path into the ini file
>> and
>> get someone to try it out and send me the ini after changing the folder
>> to
>> be in My Documents. Maybe I can see enough from what WinBMD is currently
>> showing as the output folder path on its Files menu. Is there anyone who
>> has Vista that could email me what WinBMD is currently showing as it's
>> output path. Then create a new folder below My Documents and switch
>> WinBMD
>> to use that and again show me what WinBMD says it's path is. You could
>> then
>> switch it back to your original folder.
>>
>> If your preference is to have spaces rather than underscores in the
>> folder
>> name then that's not a problem. My preference is the other way around but
>> I
>> don't really mind either way.
>>
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Archer Barrie" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:40 AM
>> Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List
>>
>>
>>
>>> I must say that I had envisaged a somewhat simpler process - but that
>>> may be because I do not understand your proposals, or the complexity of
>>> installing WinBMD!
>>>
>>> 1) I WinBMD is not already installed, silently set the output folder to
>>> be under (My )Documents
>>>
>>> 2) If WinBMD is already installed check the output filename in the
>>> configuration file - if it does not start with (My )Documents, ask the
>>> user if you should move it to (My )Documents and if they say "yes", move
>>> the files and change the output filename in the configuration file.
>>>
>>> As I understand it WinBMD currently uses a .ini file to store
>>> configuration data and, I assume, this would not change in the new
>>> version. Having configuration data in both the registry and an .ini is,
>>> from a software engineering point of view, undesirable.
>>>
>>> Also my proposal involves less error checking, e.g. if the first
>>> registry flag is set you have to check if the output folder is already
>>> under (My )Documents.
>>>
>>> Plainly my proposal conflicts with your "I really don't want to mess
>>> about checking where their current folder is and then dciding whether to
>>> move it or not, it's probably error prone and overly complex." But your
>>> proposal seemed to require you find where the current folder is
>>> (otherwise how could you move the files from it?). I can't see that
>>> asking the user if you should move their files for them, and then not
>>> moving them if they answered "no", is complex.
>>>
>>> Finally, having underscore in a (My )Documents folder seems to be very
>>> unusual. It would naturally be "WinBMD Output Files". However, if you
>>> feel it necessary to differentiate the use by having "Output Files" it
>>> would seem to me to be more logical to have this under a "WinBMD" folder
>>> (i.e. (My )Documents\WinBMD\Output Files).
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of
>>>> Ian Brooke
>>>> Sent: 31 January 2009 22:39
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List
>>>>
>>>> So here's what I would like to change WinBMD to do:
>>>> If the folder has not been created (so I would check a registry flag);
>>>> Create a new folder under My Documents (I'd like to call it
>>>> "WinBMD_Output_Files");
>>>> Set the registry flag to show it's created.
>>>> If the files have not ben moved (check another flag)
>>>> Copy all the files from the existing Output folder to the
>>>> new folder;
>>>> Create the 2nd flag.
>>>> Switch the Output path to use this new folder
>>>>
>>>> The existing Output folder could stay where it is and all the
>>>> files would
>>>> remain in it??
>>>>
>>>> People could then move this new folder if they really wanted
>>>> (using the
>>>> existing Setpath feature on the Files menu).
>>>>
>>>> The only minor problem would be if people have installed
>>>> WinBMD elsewhere
>>>> (for examply on a drive of their choice) then their output
>>>> folder would be
>>>> changed to the new one, although again it's easy for them to
>>>> switch back. I
>>>> really don't want to mess about checking where their current
>>>> folder is and
>>>> then dciding whether to move it or not, it's probably error
>>>> prone and overly
>>>> complex.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments?
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Archer Barrie" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:02 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should
>>>>>
>>>> be a folder
>>>>
>>>>> under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as
>>>>>
>>>> you imply, it
>>>>
>>>>> would be easy for users to find.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barrie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Keith Simpson
>>>>>> Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> Subject: re Windows Wish List
>>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After reading all the messages regarding where files of
>>>>>> transcripts are
>>>>>> stored when saved . I would just like to say that a
>>>>>>
>>>> picture is worth a
>>>>
>>>>>> thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having
>>>>>> problems I send
>>>>>> them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I
>>>>>> send detailed
>>>>>> instructions on how to change the default settings to a place
>>>>>> they would
>>>>>> recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES
>>>>>> in the DOCUMENTS
>>>>>> folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They
>>>>>> don't have to
>>>>>> go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove
>>>>>> daunting for new
>>>>>> users of computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gandalf Syndicate
>>>>>>
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