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From: "Adrian Furniss" <>
Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Re: Freepages-Help-D Digest V03 #194
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:10:56 +0100
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> Knowing that _sloppy coding_ (no IMG dimension data) prevents
> my browser from rendering the page until the image arrives,
> making the delay even _more _noticeable.

Which browser/version are you using?

It is still a very good advice to specify width & height attributes in
<.IMG> tags, but their necessity continues to expire for ever increasing
number of users as browsers become available, which "re-flow" pages as the
HTML/images arrive and/or are modified via DHTML. I don't recall exactly,
but think this applies to IE v4+and NN v7 plus.

If your browser is of the re-flow generation, then you can't really blame
lack of width/height for slow download/rendering, though clearly this is an
issue with older browser versions. Hence advice to HTML-coders to specify
these attributes still stands.

If your browser is pre-re-flow, then I suggest an update (PC/Mac magazine
cover discs are a good source). Sorry I can't be more specific regarding
browser versions, and my knowledge in this area doesn't extend to other
browsers (Opera, Mozilla, WebTV, Konqueror etc.). I can only assume that Mac
versions have kept apace the PC versions.

Ex Mac-man, now well out of touch.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Dav4is" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Re: Freepages-Help-D Digest V03 #194

> I didn't explain properly.
> Sometimes -- not all the time -- I see a delay of a few seconds, up
> to 20 seconds or more, _before_ the page begins to display. Then the
> page loads and displays in a flash. During that delay, the screen is
> blank and the browser status indicates that it is waiting for the
> The browser is unable to render any part of the page because the
> page has an image of unknown dimensions at the very top. Because the
> page does not give the browser any dimension information (height= and
> width=), it must wait for the image itself to arrive. Once the image
> arrives and its dimensions determined, the browser can render the page
> in an instant, from the content that has already arrived and been cached.
> The image is cached, so navigation around the site proceeds without
> undue delay -- until it is decided to change to a different ad. If the
> new ad has not been downloaded and cached, another delay takes place.
> So the problem is two-fold:
> 1. Failure to use dimension information on the IMG tags. If this were
> done, the browser can leave a space of appropriate size for the
> image, and format around it, filling in later when -- and if --
> the image arrives. This is common practice among webmasters who
> care about the usability of their pages.
> 2. The ads are on a separate server from our content. That server
> seems to be overloaded, taking a long time to deliver the ads.
> That by itself would be of little import but for the effect of
> problem #1.
> (This may be a network problem or a server problem, but the effect
> from the user viewpoint is the same.)
> The annoyance factor has two sources:
> 1. Seeing pages from other sites -- indeed, even RW, usually! -- load
> in a flash. This is DSL, after all, and delays are all the more
> noticeable.
> 2. Knowing that _sloppy coding_ (no IMG dimension data) prevents my
> browser from rendering the page until the image arrives, making
> the delay even _more _noticeable
> -R.
> Barbara Matthews wrote:
> >You know this is funny... I use the oldfashion DIAL-UP with a two year
old computer
> >and my pages don't take anywhere near 20 seconds for a page to load...
> >with the adds. I've always found the web pages there to load fairly
> >
> >
> >It may be that there is something wrong with your computer.. maybe
> >is set up wrong. My dad has DSL at home and the times I'm worked from his
> >I still find the pages load very quickly...
> >
> >
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