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From: Lorrie Laskey <>
Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Need help formatting accessible tables
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:16:56 -0600
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List,

I am intrigued as to want this thread is about. What are "other text
only mini computers" ? Could some one explain maybe in technical speak?
I suspect I don't understand partially because incorrect terms are being
used? Or maybe this is something I just don't understand.

Lorrie

wrote:
> I can't reply to Lorrie, I expect the Cohens will explain?
>
> As far as 'browsers' which don't recognise tags are concerned, if you
> are wanting the same code to render in an Internet browser as well as
> other text only mini computers, then I think you're making a stick to
> beat yourself with... Why not simply make a separate text version of
> all your pages from now on, and offer visitors the choice. I think
> you'd then spend less time solving problems and perhaps be able to
> make more of your research available more quickly. Why do you want to
> use the same code for both?
>
> Caroline
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lorrie Laskey <>
> To: the cohens <>
> CC:
> Sent: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 6:15
> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Need help formatting accessible tables
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I am following this thread but am missing something. What exactly is the
>
> goal? What browsers don't recognize tables? How are they not recognized?
>
> Can someone explain so I can understand?
>
>
>
> Lorrie
>
>
>
> the cohens wrote:
>
> > Caroline,
>
> >
>
> > I like the idea of adding nbsp's, it is a simple solution although
>
> > not pretty code.
>
> >
>
> > I never heard of a separate table cell css, separate from declaring
>
> > the table in my css, which i did do. but I am declaring properties in
>
> > the tables themselves as I am testing.
>
> >
>
> > And the problem is that the code I need to use to make good spacing
>
> > between page numbers and the cells above them for browsers that do
>
> > not recognize table formatting creates too much space in browsers that
>
> > can display tables.
>
> >
>
> > I am skeptical that adding any css table code will eliminate the
>
> > effects of the extra br's I need to stick in for the lo fi browsers.
>
> >
>
> > Barry had suggested in another context that using a div tag could
>
> > define dividing distances between elements, but I could not get my
>
> > text browser to recognize the code, I do not remember exactly what it
>
> > was.
>
> >
>
> > I decided against pre tags because I think it would be pretty
>
> > messy. If I understand them correctly, your other suggestions assume
>
> > a browser that recognizes fonts and table code, and my text browser
>
> > does not do that, nor does opera if I out it into a certain mode that
>
> > is more pda friendly, it's narrow screen mode.
>
> >
>
> > where would the commas you are talking about go, anyone else know
>
> > what she is referring to with that?
>
> >
>
> > On 2/26/10, <mailto:> < <mailto:>> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> ...
>
> >> For your tables: I don't always see so well ... but I couldn't see a css
>
> >> definition for table cells. You could define line height for text and left
>
> >> and right margins (% or other) for the cells. The page no. cell could be
>
> >> different, with no left margin and a wider right margin. Otherwise add the
>
> >> extra cell with as many nbsp as looks good (and if you don't have a specific
>
> >> special character, chain, replacement soft, Word does a fast job).
>
> >>
>
> >> Another way of forcing spacing, if your page content is definitive, is to
>
> >> look for the longest cell content and simply add a couple of nbsp after it
>
> >> ... old-fashioned but usually appears in browsers.
>
> >>
>
> >> If the page no. is less important and you want focus on content, put the
>
> >> first table cell into a smaller font?
>
> >>
>
> >> I'm not sure about browsers, but memories of data processing from long ago
>
> >> remind me that a comma may indicate that the following space should be
>
> >> ignored. If that is the problem, a long way round would be to change
>
> >> globally all the comma-spaces within table cells to comma-space space - the
>
> >> second space should be "read" by browsers ignoring the first, and the other
>
> >> browsers would normally only render 1 space.
>
> >>
>
> >> Alternatively, format your tables as you wish elsewhere and use the pre tag?
>
> >> (Or is that falling into desuetude?)
>
> >>
>
> >> Caroline
>
> >>
>
> >
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