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From: "J.A. Florian" <>
Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and Contents)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:57:59 -0500
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Hi Blair,

I'm not very experienced but what I've read on this List is something like
the Rootsweb banners on top look for the closed head <.../head> and opening
body tag </...body> Likewise, the bottom banner looks for the closed body
<.../body> and closed <.../html> tag. When the RW server reads those
tags or triggers, it inserts the banner right after. For the same reasons,
when one or some of those tags are missing the Rootsweb banners seem to "go
anywhere", where Rootsweb's code tries to figure out the right place. Or,
sometimes when a webmaster used two closing tags as duplicates, then
Rootsweb shows double banners where the error occurred whether on top or
bottom.

Since frames rely on each frame having its own complete html (from open to
close of the html tag and the body tag), the Rootsweb banner will show in
every frame. Possibly Rootsweb wasn't using these banners when you did your
last website using frames?

I've also read on this list that, generally in web design, frames are not
used as much now and are undesirable--mostly because there are other ways
using html coding or CSS to achieve what you want to do, and because frames
cause troubles for viewing. I don't know enough on this topic to say more,
but the experts on this list can explain the issues with frames very well.

I will say that Pat Greary has made fabulous templates in CSS that she has
offered (free) to webmasters here. But this morning, I can't find her link
to the templates. I'm sure if she isn't busy on this holiday weekend that
she'll post her links for you. I was not convinced about using CSS, but
I've never had problems with Pat's templates and can see there's a big
difference in how CSS looks compared to my other basic html pages. The only
reason I haven't switched all my old pages to her CSS page is that I lack
the time and energy to re-do all my old/older pages, and as well, I still
don't understand much CSS to start adding to or changing Pat's template.
But I wish all my older pages were done with Pat's template. So do look
into this; it may save you time and headaches encountered with using frames.

Judy

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Blair LeMire <> wrote:

> Sorry if I'm describing things wrong but I'm new to webpage design.
>
> Ok here it goes...I'm working on a webpage using FrontPage 2003 and my
> layout uses frames. one window on top (header), one window to the left
> Contents) and a main window on the right (my family history stuff).
> Each window is an individual html file. When I upload it to my server
> space I get this:
>
>
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm
> .
>
> Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at
> Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to
> only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right.
> This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can
> I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Blair LeMire
>

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