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Subject: Samuel of Carroll Co. VA
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:17:46 EDT

No, Nelson, we don't have strong evidence that Samuel came to Carroll in
1804. I've thought for years that we did, but now am beginning to see that
the year 1804 could very well be in error. Since John Alderman was such an
authority about early Carroll Co. residents, I accepted what he said as
gospel. However, just because he said that Samuel didn't appear on tax rolls
until 1804 does NOT mean he wasn't there a little sooner. In other words, Mr.
Alderman could be right, and we could be right in believing he was there
earlier.

Alderman, in The Settlements, states, "It is clear from personal property tax
records that William and Samuel Gallimore came to the area in 1804."

It was completely on the basis of this statement that I filled in the
birthplaces of the first of Samuel's children, those born before 1804 being
born in NC, those after that date in Carroll Co. I'm going to go back to my
records and take off the birthplaces for his children born before 1804, as
it's quite possible Samuel could have been in SW VA before that date. Others
are probably wondering why in the world this could be so important, why we're
discussing it so much. Well, Samuel disappeared between 1798 or so until he
turns up around 1804 in VA. If we knew exactly where he was, perhaps we could
find his father. Or, if we knew exactly where he was when his first kids were
born. He was the bondsman for William's marriage in Guilford in 1798 (or 9),
so assume he was in Guilford. But, we sure can't find him there in any other
record.

This birthplace business is tricky. If we could find that most or all of your
Jesse's children said their father was born in VA, I would think it was so.
But, I fear accepting just one. Or, even if it was repeated from census to
census, it would carry a lot of weight. You see, one of Clinton Co. William's
children said William was born in MS in one census, and we know that's not
true! They knew it was 'down south somewhere', I guess.

William's own birthplace is in doubt because one census says NC, and two
others or so say VA (some of these censuses were for his children). We
figured the one in 1850 in which he himself states VA was his birthplace,
when he was older, might be more valid, as he wouldn't have any reason to
tell an untruth. Since we figured he (Clinton Co. William) was b. in VA, it
made sense that Samuel was, too.

But, Beers, in his Clinton Co. History, says, "William Gallimore was born in
Guilford Co. NC November 5, 1776....."

Another reason I opted for a VA birthplace for Samuel & William is that the
first records of Randolph Gallimores seemed to begin in 1783 with John buying
land. Samuel was born over 10 yrs before that. There are no records at all
for Guilford Gallimores this early. William bought his Randolph land later
than John apparently, 1796, as opposed to John's 1783, although he did show
up on the 1785 Randolph tax list. To complicate matters, they seemed to have
been in Granville County before they moved into Randolph. I'm not certain of
all the exact details, but know John and an older James were in Granville at
one time. All 3 of the Rev. soldiers enlisted in Granville Co., Cpl. John, a
younger James, & William. So, did William come down from Lunenburg shortly
after marrying, go into Granville, then after his Rev. stint, settle in
Randolph? When was Randolph formed? What relationship did Orange Co. have to
the formation of Granville & Randolph? Should we have searched there?

But perhaps this is an argument for a different time, as we began by
discussing Samuel's first children's birthplaces.

Actually, there were only two Gallimores really old enough in the
Guilford/Randolph area to be Samuel's father, and those are the older John,
and William. And it had to have been a Rev. War soldier who served from NC.
The older John did not serve. I believe we've shown that Cpl. John was too
young. James was also too young -- his Rev. papers say he was only 17. Thus,
if you look at the 3 Rev. soldiers from NC, 2 are too young. That leaves us
with William. So, even though William and Samuel both may have been born in
VA, they were in the Guilford/Randolph area, and so was their father.
However, my contention is that they were all there much later than when
Samuel or William were born. If they were born in NC, my guess would probably
be Granville Co. (or Orange Co.) if not VA. Another argument for the VA
birthplace is the fact that William seemed to be in Lunenburg Co. when they
were born; the last record of him there was 1773. That's pretty close to the
time we figure Samuel was born.

I had a date of birth for him figured roughly as 1767. Others have suggested
it might be closer to 1774. At any rate, that doesn't help us much with where
Samuel may have been born, or William' Jr.s birthplace. Between 1773 and his
enlisting in Granville Co. in 1781, we have no record of the older William at
all. So, it's a toss-up. Do you believe Beer's History or what William Jr.
said on the Clinton Co. census?

I truly believe we have found Samuel & William's father, now, but where he
may have come from in VA is in doubt. Spotsylvania Co., Franklin Co., or
Lunenburg Co.?

It appears the older John went to Rowan briefly, then down to Cabarrus Co. He
had a son William, so for that reason, don't think he could possibly be
father of Samuel, for there is Clinton Co. OH William to consider, likely a
brother of Samuel's, so whoever Samuel's father was, he had to have had a
Samuel and a William. That lets old John out, as his son William left quite a
heritage in Cabarrus Co., lots of records, almost bigger than life.

Maybe you noticed the intriguing record in the Franklin Co. records of a
Samuel Moore marrying an Elizabeth Stewart in 1793. This is the approximate
date we figure our Samuel married. And he did name his first daughter
Elizabeth (for what that's worth, as it's more likely people back then named
the first daughter after the grandmother, not the mother). Samuel's 2nd dau.
was Hannah (truly after Martha's mother), than there was a Mary (after
Samuel's mother, Mary Tucker, or after Martha's sister Mary)??

We thought at one time we had pinpointed the Lunenburg William as being the
one who went to Randolph Co., as he is shown in Lunenburg with a wife Mary,
and had the same approximate signature (or mark) as he had in Randolph.
However, I wonder. The newest information I received was that a William had
married a Mary Tucker in Amelia Co., then turned up in Lunenburg. Now, if
it's the same individual who went to Randolph, it appears that he also went
on to Rowan, & then Surry. Wouldn't he have been too old to have done all
this? Are we mixing up two Williams? So many questions. Does anyone have any
answers? Or, even a good theory that fits the facts we have?

This is what we know of the older William, or in light of all of the above,
what I think we know:

1764 -- William E. married Mary Tucker, d/o William Tucker of Amelia Co.
1773 -- Last record for him in Lunenburg Co. VA
1781 -- Enlisted in Granville Co. NC
1785 -- Randolph tax list
1796 -- Bought Randolph land
1797 -- Sold Randolph land
1800 -- On Rowan Co.NC census
1810 -- In Surry Co. NC
Died ca 1820 Surry Co. NC

Just did the arithmetic. There were 56 yrs between his marriage & death.
Guess it was indeed possible for this to be one individual.

Virginia

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