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From: John R Peavy <>
Subject: [GASCREVE-L] Ahnentafel Clarifications
Date: 22 Sep 1998 18:59:47 Z


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Dear Carrie, I should have been more careful with my
children's Ahnentafel. Let me amend the data which you graciously
highlighted -- I do thank you for the critical eye --- I want it to
be right. Most of your points deal with the Salzburger connections
and the various spellings of my own surname. I must also apologize
if I have not yet answered some queries yet -- please remind me if
anything is outstanding after this message. (I dropped my
subscription to GEORGIA-L because of upcoming trips and the sheer
volume of e-mail.)

Fourth Generation

#8 Eulie Hudson PEVEY/PEAVY -- my grandfather moved in the early
1920's from Effingham Co GA (where most folks spell it PEVEY) near
Oliver in Screven Co GA to Port Wentworth near Savanah in Chatham Co
GA (where he began to spell it PEAVY), and shortly thereafter moved
to the house where I grew up and where my parents still live

Fifth Generation

#16 David A. PEVEY lived predominantly in Effingham Co GA, hence the
spelling

Sixth Generation

#32 ?Henry H. PEVEY/PEVY -- he and elder brother James PEVEY/PEVY
moved from Screven Co GA to Effingham Co GA when they married the
HINELY sisters (daughters of HINELY and ARNSDORFF, granddaughter of
SHEAROUSE) -- the records of this time have several variations,
including marriage licenses with PEVY. James is the ancestor of most
of the Effingham Co GA and Chatham Co GA PEVEYs today. Henry is the
likely father of David A. (could have been a brother)

Seventh Generation

#64 Guilford PEAVY evidently b and d in Screven Co GA, he and his
wife living to be at least c 82 years old -- this is the predominant
spelling in Screven Co GA to this day where many of his descendants
(through a younger son) are associated with Double Heads Baptist
Church. Guilford is the ancestor of the Chatham, Effingham and
Screven Cos GA PEAVYs and PEVEYs

Eighth Generation

#128 Joseph PEAVEY -- I have far too few records for this fellow and
have not been able to link him to the Abrahams, Dials, Elis and
Josephs of North Georgia who stem from NC (yet another spelling,
PAVEY, and probably from DE and New England before that), but the few
records spell the name this way for him and his almsost certainly
related contemporaries in Screven Co GA, Isaac and Michael. Joseph
is also the ancestor (through Luke Mizell PEAVY) of the Randolph Co
GA PEAVYs

Ninth Generation

#360 - John/Johann Martin GREINER - quite confusing, and for several
reasons:

In The History of Screven County, Georgia (THoSCG), Bob GRINER of
Metter (who is preparing a tome on the GREINER/GRINER descendants, a
family originally from Fleinshein Wurttemberg in Germany and from the
Halifax District of colonial Georgia) has an elder Johann/John Caspar
GREINER, father of at least two sons, Lt Andrew and Phillip Jacob:
Lt Andrew GREINER b 1712 m2 26 Jul 1756 Ensign 9 Dec 1757 Lt 6
Oct 1762 d 19 Jun 1771,
Lt Andrew had a son by his 1st wife:
Lt John Caspar GREINER b 1753 m 4 Jan 1772 Lt 2 Jul 1776 d
1800 m Johanna Christina LACKNER,
Phillip Jacob GREINER (both #720 and #1768) who was the father
of Capt John Caspar and of John Martin:
Capt John Caspar GREINER II RS b 5 Oct 1733 Lt 21 Jul 1759
Capt 16 Oct 1775 d 1777 (#884 my wife's line)
Capt John Caspar had a son
John Caspar GREINER b 13 Jun 1773 d > 1830 m Nelly
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John Martin GREINER RS b 1739 m 24 May 1763 d 1807 (#360 my
line) m Maria REIDELSPERGER

However, George Fenwick JONES' works
(i The Salzburger Saga - Religious Exiles and Other Germans
Along the Savannah published 1983, amended 1997, 224 pp, and
ii The Georgia Dutch - From the Rhine and the Danube to the
Savannah, 1733-1783, published 1992, 364 pp,
as well as
iii the Ebenezer Record Book 1754-1781 which he coauthored with
Sheryl EXLEY, published 1991, 187 pp. If anyone wants this volume,
it's reduced to $9.50 from Genealogical Publishing Company, 1001
North Calvert Street Baltimore MD 21202 (800)296-6687 - I believe
they have an e-mail address also)
show John Caspar GREINER I (that is the elder of the folks discussed
that have the same name, not the same as the "I" as shown in THoSCG)
m 1758 Carolina Magdalena GREVE BORNEMANN d 21 Jul 1773 and had a son
John Caspar GREINER II m 4 Jan 1772 Johanna Christina LACKNER d 1811.
Carolina Magdalena was the daughter of Johann Heinrich GREVE/GRAEVE d
1759 & Luisa Margaretha SCHICHHOFF d 1756, and the widow of Johann
Christoph BORNEMANN b 1716 Gottingen in Hannover who arrived in GA in
1752. Professor JONES shows yet another John Casper b 1775, son of
John Martin (making five John Caspars spread over three out of four
generations)

Mrs. Pearl RAHN GNANN's Georgia Salzburger and Allied Families (1956,
revised in 1970 and 1976, 873 pp, currently under revision) states
that John Casper GRINER Sr is probably the father of John Casper Jr,
John Martin, Andrew and Jacob. Andrew GRINER d 19 Jun 1771 had a son
John Caspar GRINER II d < 1811 m 4 Jan 1772 m Joanna Christina
LACHNER d 1811.

The dates in the brief notes of Professor JONES, with JC I m 1758 and
his son JC II m 1772, don't work well -- perhaps JC I m2 1758
Carolina Magdalena, and therefore she is not the mother of JC II.

#361 - THoSCG identifies Maria EISCHPERGER b 15 Nov 1739 as the
daughter of (#722) Ruprecht EISCHPERGER and (#723) Maria
REIDELSPERGER. Professor JONES' Ebenezer Record Book includes a
genealogical index to the church records -- that is all references to
a particular person are shown with full name in the index and
sometimes in relation to others. The book's discussion of the
frequent use of the second name of Germans (and how that confuses
looking at German and English records) is particulalry useful.
Because of Professor JONES' extensive research on German American
names, I will take the correct spelling as RIEDELSPERGER (family from
Lichtenstein Salfeld). The book includes five references to Maria
EISCHPERGER always paired with her husband, John Martin GREINER:
their marriage on 24 May 1763, the birth and baptism of their son
Timotheus on 2 Feb 1765 (my ancestor #180 Timothy GRINER d TX), the
birth and baptism of their son Johann Jacob on 8 Jul 1766 (they had a
son Johann in 1768), the birth of their son Samuel on 18 Feb 1770 in
Halifax District and his baptism at Ebenezer on 10 Jun 1770, and the
birth of their daughter Salome on 8 Aug 1772 and her baptism on 9 Dec
1772 (they had a son Johannes Caspar in 1775). ()

#468 - Johannes GRUBER Sr (descendants spell it GROOVER), son of #936
Peter GRUBER b 1697 m 1736 d 2 Dec 1740 & #937 Maria ROHRMOSER b 1705
m2 1736 m3 by 1758 (widow of Johannes MOSSHAMMER b 1699 d 1735,
lastly m Carl FLERL). Her sister Barabara ROHRMOSER b 1697 d 1735
(from Salfeld) m2(?) KROEHR who remained in the old religion and in
the old country with the younger children. Barbara and her two elder
daughters immigrated to Ebenezer where the two m Ebenezer's first
three pastors, Catherine KROEHR b 1716 m1 1734 GRONAU m2 1746 LEMCKE,
Gertrude KROEHR b 1717 m 1735 BOLTZIUS. These relationships are as
outlined in Mr. JONES' work. Mrs GNANN had indicated that Maria was
not Barabara's sister, but her daughter and therefore sister rather
than aunt to the two KROEHR girls (and thus a KROEHR also) -- if the
b dates for Maria 1705, Barabara 1697, Catherine 1716 and Gertrude
1717 are correct, then Professor JONES' is likely the right
interpretation.

Fred Lee GROOVER of Jacksonville FL follows Mrs. GNANN's
understanding in his The Progeny of Peter (GRUBER) GROOVER (TPoPG).
Johannes GRUBER Sr had five sons (ours is #234 David GROOVER m #235
Martha SHEFFIELD) and two daughters. TPoPG provides a "book" with
separate page numbering and index for the family of each of the five
sons. Taking Peter GRUBER as the 1st generation, your Solomon m c
1853 would be in the 4th or 5th generation. I had hoped that this
massive work would provide an answer to your question about one of
the many Solomon GROOVERs. TPoPG does not indicate a Martha THOMPSON
GROOVER, but a closese fit was 5th generation Solomon GROOVER b Dec
1835 Bulloch Co GA, son of Joshua GROOVER b 5 Aug 1799 Bulloch Co GA
d 25 Sep 1884 Columbia Co FL (son of #234 David GROOVER and brother
of our #117 Honor GROOVER DICKERSON WHITE for whom TPoP has little on
her DICKERSON descendants and only a couple of pages on her WHITE
descendants) m1 Amy ROWE b 5 May 1805 d 13 May 1869 (this is the line
of Pam and Vince GROOVER of Virginia Beach VA, ).
This Solomon m1 Martha STANFIELD b 1832 Tattnall Co GA m2 Amaliga M.
DENNISON, and by the 1880's this Solomon is in Wayne Co GA. If this
is the right Solomon, I can't tell where the error lies as to whether
Martha was a THOMPSON or a STANFIELD.

I do thank you also for all the data and the leads that you have
sent to me.

May God Bless You and Your Family,

Bob PEAVY
Rincon GA
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From: AT Internet on 08/22/98 05:37 AM
Subject: Genealogy

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... E-mail of Aug.17,1998 I found a few discrepancies. Could you
please set the record straight for me??
ALSO #516 David A. PEVEY and # 632 Henry H PEVEY.....the "A" is left
out. Is this correct???____________________________________
From: AT Internet on 08/21/98 09:23 PM
Subject: Genealogy

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... E-mail of Aug.17,1998 I found a few discrepancies. Could you
please set the record straight for me??
1. #361 the name RIEDELSPERGER is spelled also REIDELSPERGER...which
is correct
2. #360 you mention John Martin GREINER was bro/o John Casper GREINER
II, but in "Pioneers of Wiregrass, Ga." Vol.II, under son, Emanuel, it
states John Casper was s/o Jacob. Could you clarify the "II"
This volume also states the w/o John Casper GREINER was Caroline
Magaline BORNEMANN (wid/o John C. BORNEMANN and d/o Rev. John Henry
GREVE). Your record shows her as Mary Magdagdalene GREVE-BORNEMAN.
Can you verify the spelling of all her names and whether it is
Caroline or Mary.
_____________________________________________
From: AT Internet on 07/03/98 04:59 PM
Subject: HODGES-WARD

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... Now Bob, I have a question for you (perhaps when I get more into
your GROOVER file I may find it, but this would be faster). In
"Pioneers of Wiregrass, Ga." Vol.IX under Richard THOMPSON 1785-1857
his dgt. Martha THOMPSON b.ca 1832 m. Solomon GROOVER ca 1853 can you
link me with his parents? ... I must say I was facinated
by the TXT files you sent me as they came out in "ENGLISH" and not
what I refer to as "COMPUTER SHORTHAND", as so many of the messages I
receive from Win 95 researchers (I use Win 3.11).

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