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From: "Grady Loy" <>
Subject: Re: [Gen-Ancient] L a noblesse du midi Carolingien SETTIPANI
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:38:35 +0900
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Dear JL

Gregory of Tours has this to say about him:

Post haec Severus, socer eius, a filiis apud regem graviter accusatur. Haec
ille audiens, cum magnis muneribus ad regem petiit. Qui in via adpraehensus
et spoliatus atque in exilium deductus, morte pessima vitam finivit. Sed et
duo filii eius Burgolenus et Dodo, ob crimen maiestatis lesi iudicium mortis
susceptum, unus ab exercitu vi obpressus est, alius in fugam adpraehensus,
truncatis manibus et pedibus, interiit; resque omnes tam eorum quam patris
fisco conlatae sunt. Erant enim eis magni thesauri.

Which I think means "After this, Severus, his father in law (Guntchramn
Boso's) was the subject with his sons of a very serious accusation by the
king. Hearing this, he (went to) petition the king bearing a great amount
of gifts. Wherewith he was apprehended in the road, robbed and taqken into
exile where he finished his life in misery [I do not think that Gregory
necessarily shows dislike for Severus as that he believes a wretched end
must have a moral failing as a cause. Severus probably hoarded wealth in
this life and was a little to quick to bribe the king those Gregory at times
has shown acceptance of that and worse behavior in others] But to his two
children Burgolen and Dodo, they were put to death by the judges for the
crime of treason (Lese Majesty); one was forcibly suppressed by the army and
the other was aprehended in flight, had his hands and feet cut off,
perhished, and all that he had from his father was gathered to the royal
treasury. And he had indeed great hoards."

Burgolen was also married to Domnola, the daughter of Bishop Victricius of
Rennes who was murdered, probably by minions of Queen Fredegund, after
remarrying to Nectarius, brother of Badegisel, the late King Chilperic's
former majordomo (And according to Thorpe who made a translation of Gregory
the first Frankish majordomo known to history) and later Bishop of LeMans
following Domnolus. So much is known from Gregory. I do not know if
Fredegar or any one else has further to say about him so I was interested
what Mr. Settipani might have found. Severus may have been scion of one of
several Gallo Roman families still existing in the North (Note also in fact
Victurius, Domnolus, Germanus of Paris, Felix of Nantes, the unnamed husband
of Berthefleda sister of Bertram of Bordeaux, Bertramn of Lemans and
Aegidius of Rheims. The names I have mentioned here do not seem to be
southerners who are taking a traditional title in the north like Gregory or
Ennodius Duke of Poitiers). A possible reason for Severus bad fortune may
be that Severus was (probably) a devotee of Childebert and late of Sigebert
and when Chilperic took over this region following Sigebert's death he was
not able to immediately give up the good will of these people because of the
complicated situation concerning his sons and their rebellion and
Brunhilda'S plotting and so on. Once he had established himself in this
region there seem to be no end of scores he felt he had to settle though
perhaps I should be careful as the exact reasons in the case of any one
courtier may be complex.

Anyway, I had hoped Mr. Settipani might have had some thought on Severus'
descendants or ancestors or relations etc... But it may be that there just
is not more information on him that can be gotten.

Best Regards

Grady
----- Original Message -----
From: "jl" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Gen-Ancient] L a noblesse du midi Carolingien SETTIPANI


> that s the problem... he says nothing baout SEVERUS nob in Tourraine
>
> Severus (ca 520 / 578) would be father of Dodo +578 , Burgolenus + 578 an
Ne
> sp. Gontrand Boson or Dracolenus Industrius Dukes
>
> that s all
>
> jl----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grady Loy" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Gen-Ancient] L a noblesse du midi Carolingien SETTIPANI
>
>
> > Dear JL:
> >
> > I am still awaiting the arrival of my copy of this book in the mail I am
> in
> > Japan and the way I ordered it takes about a month from order to
> delivery).
> > Would you be able to tell me what he says about Severus father of Dodo
and
> > Burgolenus (Probably from Nuestria near Angers and Rennes)? I have a
> > particular interest in him. For the rest I will be patient. Thanks.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Grady
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jl" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:37 AM
> > Subject: [Gen-Ancient] L a noblesse du midi Carolingien SETTIPANI
> >
> >
> > > on his new books C. SETTIPANI gives two stemma that leads us to late
> > > antiquity. Mr ford could you rely these people to tour tables on the
> > > gen-ancient site "proto feudal" or maybe give us some possible
relations
> > > between these peolple and roman antiquity
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > jl
> > >
> > > Pages 129 with people like Eparchius nob of Toulouse
> > > Loup Bp of Troyes 426, Pimeniola, Hilarius Nob of Langres,
Felicissimus
> Ct
> > > of Periguex.. Aemilius x Celinia Nob of LAon
> > >
> > > pahes 332 Claudius Namatius Patr. Provencex Euphrasia
> > >
> > > Page 225 Palladius II Bp. Of Bourges, Simplicius, St Cesaire,
Gregoria
> > wife
> > > of Firminus, Brittanius Ct of Clermont, Simplicius father of Eulalia,
> > Valens
> > > Bp . of AVIGNON, Iocundus Nob of LIMOGES, Renosindus, Agilenus Nob of
> > > CAHORS, Dulcidius Bp. OF le PUY, Severus father of Dodo and Burgolenus
> > >
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