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From: "Merilyn Pedrick" <>
Subject: Re: [Gen-Ancient] L a noblesse du midi Carolingien SETTIPANI
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:58:40 +0930 (Cen. Australia Standard Time)
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Dear Grady
I have been trying to piece together what you wrote below, and tie it in
with the information I have. I'd be very pleased if you and/or anyone else
on the list who has better information than I have could sort out the
following wheat from the chaff. I have cut and pasted the following from my
database, so I hope it reproduces.
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick
Mylor, South Australia
First Generation
1. Pharamond died after 420, stated by many writers to have been the
first sovereign of the Freemen or Franks. Information on all descendants: de
Lomagne of Gascony, Guienne, etc. Princes de Verdun; Comtes d'Armagnac,
Beary, Bigorre, Estafford, Lomagne, Negrepelisse etc. Vicomtes d'Anvillars,
Bruilljois, Conserans, Gascogne, Terride, etc, Barons d'Angles, Montaigu,
etc, Seigneurs de Donienac, Fimarcon, Montaignac, Montaigu etc. Arms - Party
per pale. Dexter,Quarterly - 1. Azure, 2 fleur de lys or, (for France). 2.
Gules, a castle of 3 towers or, (for Castile). 3. Gules, a cross pomel,
voided argent, (for L'Isle Jourdain). 4. Gules, 4 spear heads, argent, (for
Cominges). Sinister - 1and 4, Or, 3 pales, gules, (for Foix). 2 and 3, Or, 3
cows passant gules, horned collared and belled azure (for Bearn). Over all,
quarterly. 1 and 4, Argent, a lion gules, (for Lomagne and Armagnac). 2,
Azure fretty of four, nailedor, (for Verdun). 3, Gules, 3 besants, (for
Castaign-Barinque). Shield surmounted by a ducal crown (in right of descent
from the Dukes of Aquitaine and Gascony). Supporters - Two demi-men and
griffins, holding banners, the dexterthat of Armagnac, the sinister that of
Terride-Verdun. The branches of the de Lomagnes known as the Seigneurs and
Barons de Montaigu, Comtes d'Estafford and Nigrepelisse, Guienne, were
respectively founded by Jacques and Jean, two brothers, sons of Eudes de
Lomagne, Seigneur de Fimacon, Donzenac etc., Seneschal of Guienne and
Gascony in 1454, a representative of the Comtes de Lomagne, Princes de
Verdun etc., descended from the ancient kings of France, whose arms they
bear as their first quartering. Their pedigree is compiled from J.
Bourrousse de Laffore's "Nobiliaire de Guienne; L'Art a verifie la Dates",
and other authentic sources. (All this from "Our Kin" by William Collings
Lukis de Guerin, Fellow of the Hugueonot Society of London, Printed by
Frederick Clarke, States Arcade, 1890).
Pharamond had the following children:
+ 2 M i. King Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy" was born about 380.
He died in 448.
Second Generation
2. King Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy" (Pharamond) was born about 380
He died in 448.
Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", King of the Salic Franks, the founder of
the Merovingian dynasty, who came to the throne in the year 428.
Clodion had the following children:
+ 3 M i. King Merovius of France was born before 448. He died
after 457.
4 M ii. Childebert died after 450.
King of Cologne.
Childebert married Unknown .
Third Generation
3. King Merovius of France (Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy",
Pharamond) was born before 448. He died after 457.
Merovius, Merovee or Merowig, first king of France 448-457.Governed the
Salic Franks 448-457; defeated Attila "the Hun" in 451; was a son or
son-in-law of Clodion.
Merovius had the following children:
+ 5 M i. King Childeric I of France was born about 436. He died in
481.
Fourth Generation
5. King Childeric I of France (Merovius of France, Clodion or Clovis I
"The Hairy", Pharamond) was born about 436. He died in 481.
Childeric married Basina of Thuringia .
They had the following children:
+ 6 M i. King Clovis II "The Great" was born in 464. He died on 26
Nov 511.
Fifth Generation
6. King Clovis II "The Great" (Childeric I of France, Merovius of
France, Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond) was born in 464. He died
on 26 Nov 511.
Received from the Pope the title of "Most Christian King and elder son of
the Church". Overthrew the Syagrii (one of the mightiest Gallo-Roman
families in 486. Clovis, who caused his rival Frankish kings to be
assassinated (encouraging one to commit parricide and then murdering him)
and set up his capital at Paris, was grandson of Merovech, sacral Woden-born
King of the Salian Franks from the northern forests beyond the Rhine; and
compiled their famous Salic Law. Although Merovingian genealogy is obscured
by the Dark Ages, there are a number of likely lines of descent to Prince
William, very many of the most probable being through the marriage of
Aethelberht, King of Kent, to the Merovingian princess Bertha, daughter of
Caribert I, King of Paris 511-58, grandson of Clovis. King Clovis's wife,
the Burgundian princess Clotilde, was a Christian, and after praying
successfully before a great victory he himself was converted, compelling 3
000 of his Franks to be baptised by ducking in the river at holy Reims.
Clovis married Saint Clothilda daughter of Chilperic in 492. Saint was born
in 475. She died in 548.
A Burgundian princess.
Clovis and Saint had the following children:
7 M i. King Thierry of Austrasia was born in 486. He died in
534.
+ 8 M ii. King Clotaire I of Soissons was born in 494. He died in
561.
9 M iii. King Childebert of France & Paris was born in 495.
He died in 561.
Sixth Generation
8. King Clotaire I of Soissons (Clovis II "The Great", Childeric I of
France, Merovius of France, Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond) was
born in 494. He died in 561.
King of Soissons 511; King of Orleans 524; King of France 558-561. Married
(1) Guntheuca, widow of Clodomer; married (2) Chunsina; married (3) Ingunda;
married (4) Aregunda, sister of Ingunda; married (5) Rodegunda, mother of
Chilperic, daughter of Berthar, King of Thuringia; she became a nun at
Poitiers c550 married (6) a concubine; married (7) Vuldetrade, widow of
Theovald. He had children of record for all but one wife.
Clotaire and Rodegunda had the following children:
+ 10 M i. King Chilperic I of Soissons was born in 539. He died in
584.
Seventh Generation
10. King Chilperic I of Soissons (Clotaire I of Soissons, Clovis II "The
Great", Childeric I of France, Merovius of France, Clodion or Clovis I "The
Hairy", Pharamond) was born in 539. He died in 584.
Chilperic married Fredegunde in 567. Fredegunde was born in 543. She died
in 597.
"One of the most bloodthirsty women in history." She was the maid of
Chilperic's first wife.
Chilperic and Fredegunde had the following children:
+ 11 M i. King Clothaire II of France was born in 584. He died in
629.
Eighth Generation
11. King Clothaire II of France (Chilperic I of Soissons, Clotaire I of
Soissons, Clovis II "The Great", Childeric I of France, Merovius of France,
Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond) was born in 584. He died in 629.

Clothaire II, who came to the throne as sole King of France 613. ob. 628.
By his first wife left two sons who both reigned as kings of France,
Dagobert I, and Clovis II. Charibert, King of Aquitaine was his son by his
second wife Sischilde.
Clothaire married (1) Sischilde .
They had the following children:
+ 12 M i. King Charibert of Aquitaine was born in 631.
Clothaire married (2) Haldetrude . Haldetrude died in 604.
They had the following children:
+ 13 M ii. Dagobert I was born in 602.
Ninth Generation
12. King Charibert of Aquitaine (Clothaire II of France, Chilperic I of
Soissons, Clotaire I of Soissons, Clovis II "The Great", Childeric I of
France, Merovius of France, Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond) was
born in 631.
Charibert married Giselle de Gascogne daughter of Amant Duc de Gascogne and
Amantia UNKNOWN.
They had the following children:
+ 14 M i. Boggis Duc de Gascogne and Aquitaine was born in 688.
13. Dagobert I (Clothaire II of France, Chilperic I of Soissons,
Clotaire I of Soissons, Clovis II "The Great", Childeric I of France,
Merovius of France, Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond) was born in
602.
King of Austrasia 622-628; King of France 628-638; greatest of the
Merovingian kings;
Dagobert married (1) Berthilde .
They had the following children:
+ 15 M i. Siegbert III was born in 630. He died in 656.
Dagobert a daughter by (2) Regintrude of Austrasia .
They were not married
+ 16 F ii. Regintrude .
Tenth Generation
14. Boggis Duc de Gascogne and Aquitaine (Charibert of Aquitaine,
Clothaire II of France, Chilperic I of Soissons, Clotaire I of Soissons,
Clovis II "The Great", Childeric I of France, Merovius of France, Clodion or
Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond) was born in 688.
Boggis married Ode .
They had the following children:
17 M i. Eudes "Le Grande" Duc d'Aquitaine and Gascogne was born
in 773.
Eudes "Le Grande" Duc d'Aquitaine and Gascogne, ob. 733.
Eudes married Waltrude daughter of UNKNOWN Walchisize.
15. Siegbert III (Dagobert I, Clothaire II of France, Chilperic I of
Soissons, Clotaire I of Soissons, Clovis II "The Great", Childeric I of
France, Merovius of France, Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond) was
born in 630. He died in 656.
King of Austrasia 639-654;
Siegbert married Hymnegilde .
They had the following children:
18 F i. Berswinde of France .
Berswinde married Adalric (Eticho) . Adalric died on 20 Feb 690.
Duke of Alsace; head of the House of Ethiconides;
16. Regintrude (Dagobert I, Clothaire II of France, Chilperic I of
Soissons, Clotaire I of Soissons, Clovis II "The Great", Childeric I of
France, Merovius of France, Clodion or Clovis I "The Hairy", Pharamond).
Bastard daughter of Dagobert I.
Regintrude married Theodo II son of Fara. Theodo died in 716.
Duke of Bavaria
Theodo and Regintrude had the following children:
19 F i. Unknown .
Unknown married Godfried (Godfrey, Godefroy) . Godfried died in 708.
Duke of Allemania. Held lands in Thurgau.
.......< Big Snip > Gregory of Tours has this to say about him:

Which I think means "After this, Severus, his father in law (Guntchramn
Boso's) was the subject with his sons of a very serious accusation by the
king. Hearing this, he (went to) petition the king bearing a great amount
of gifts. Wherewith he was apprehended in the road, robbed and taqken into
exile where he finished his life in misery [I do not think that Gregory
necessarily shows dislike for Severus as that he believes a wretched end
must have a moral failing as a cause. Severus probably hoarded wealth in
this life and was a little to quick to bribe the king those Gregory at times
has shown acceptance of that and worse behavior in others] But to his two
children Burgolen and Dodo, they were put to death by the judges for the
crime of treason (Lese Majesty); one was forcibly suppressed by the army and
the other was aprehended in flight, had his hands and feet cut off,
perhished, and all that he had from his father was gathered to the royal
treasury. And he had indeed great hoards."

Burgolen was also married to Domnola, the daughter of Bishop Victricius of
Rennes who was murdered, probably by minions of Queen Fredegund, after
remarrying to Nectarius, brother of Badegisel, the late King Chilperic's
former majordomo (And according to Thorpe who made a translation of Gregory
the first Frankish majordomo known to history) and later Bishop of LeMans
following Domnolus. So much is known from Gregory. I do not know if
Fredegar or any one else has further to say about him so I was interested
what Mr. Settipani might have found. Severus may have been scion of one of
several Gallo Roman families still existing in the North (Note also in fact
Victurius, Domnolus, Germanus of Paris, Felix of Nantes, the unnamed husband
of Berthefleda sister of Bertram of Bordeaux, Bertramn of Lemans and
Aegidius of Rheims. The names I have mentioned here do not seem to be
southerners who are taking a traditional title in the north like Gregory or
Ennodius Duke of Poitiers). A possible reason for Severus bad fortune may
be that Severus was (probably) a devotee of Childebert and late of Sigebert
and when Chilperic took over this region following Sigebert's death he was
not able to immediately give up the good will of these people because of the
complicated situation concerning his sons and their rebellion and
Brunhilda'S plotting and so on. Once he had established himself in this
region there seem to be no end of scores he felt he had to settle though
perhaps I should be careful as the exact reasons in the case of any one
courtier may be complex......... < end of big snip>

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