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From: Jerzy Pankiewicz <>
Subject: Re: Silesia and Sudetenland
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:55:05 GMT


W. Fred Rump <> wrote:
: Eveb if that is factual and I don't have the numbers, it is not quite
: the millions you claimed, right?
Maybe you should read before you comment?

: >3 000 000 of Polish Jews expelled before being killed,
: And now Polish Jews so willingly turned over to the camps are good
: Polish citizens, right?
Polish Jews were Polish citizens. Have you any serious comments?
BTW some Nurimberger law Jews were Christians and they didn't
consider themselves Jewish.

: but it is not a chapter which can be claimed as Polish persecution or
: expulsion - the same thing happened in Germany too.
It happened in Germany - what a Newspeak.
: The Warsaw Ghetto was another Polish situation?
Please, learn ! Warsaw was destroyed after the Warsaw
uprising in 1944, all people were expelled or murdered.
But yes, Warsaw Ghetto was a part of Polish history.
Maybe you aren't the best judge to decide
what was Polish history, what wasn't.
There was a time, when Germans decided what was Poland,
who was Polish.

Did anybody in Poland
: stand up to help them?
Yes, some gentile Poles died to stop your people.
Forced labor and Arbeitsdienst was dreadful but
: it was not the same as mass expulsion. These people could return home
: if they so chose.
Wow! Do you mean they were living in Mariott hotels?

Many, many didn't. I met quite a few Arbeiter in
: Poland who worked in Germany during the war. Everyone regretted not
: staying there.
Fred, if Allies didn't won the situation of forced workers
would have been different.
It's true that some workers were treated O.K.. Others
were hanged because of Rassenschande, i.e. sex with their
female masters, were murdered by Gestapo, sent
to KZs and other distractions.

: in Poland today. I know my meeting a few people means little but the
: story may be repeat itself many times.
Fred, the Western occupation changed Germans. They stopped
to persecute Jews and Slavic people, to sing Nazi songs
and organize NSDAP Parteitags...
: such by the Germans. Can you tell me where?
E.g. during Nurimberg process Kulmhof was certainly mentioned.

: had been changed to Krolewiec but that was "IN" Poland. Outside of the
: country they were not as fussy about changing names and some Polish
: Atlases still show Koenigsberg across the border.
???????? Strange. Maybe some smart businessman printed
for German tourists. You can buy almost everything
if you have money.

: territorial aggrandizement. Sadly their government was so screwed up
: that all their neighbors could easily take advantage of them in the
: last few years of the 18th century.
The German government was really screwed not in the 18th century
but in 1945... And the East German one even till 1989...

Jerzy Pankiewicz

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