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From: "Arne Nilsson" <>
Subject: Re: Ratzeburg, which state/region?
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:45:23 +0100


Bernd Babisch <> schrieb in Nachricht
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>Arne Nilsson <> wrote:
>
>> Bernd Babisch <> schrieb in Nachricht
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>But the Disrict Herzogtum-Lauenburg - and the city of Ratzeburg is
today
>a part of this Disrtict - was built in his today form as a part of
the
>State Schleswig-Holstein - that time province of Prussia - after the
>uniting of the German Empire in 1872!

No, the duchy lauenburg is much older and was not rebuilt in 1872. It
became prussian in 1865 and part of schleswig-holstein in 1876.
>
>Parts of this District have belongt before 1872 to Mecklenburg. And
that
>is the reason, why you can find parish records from Mecklenburg in
the
>cathedral of Ratzeburg, because the borders of the church parishes
where
>not changed. -

Not quite, no mecklenburg territories became part of lauenburg before
1945.

>We had that time a "Kirchenkampf" between the State Prussia
>(exact between the prussia chancellor Bismarck) and the adminstration
of
>the churches.

Well, just the catholic church, as the prussian king was supreme head
of the lutheran churches of prussia.

>Bismarck did take away some rights from the churches and the
>administration of the churches did not change the parish districts,
as
>Bismarck did change regions to build the new District Herzogtum
Lauenburg!

it is no new district. since the askanier divided saxony,
sachsen-lauenburg is a separate duchy.
>
>To give this new District the name "Herzogtum Lauenburg" was also an
idea
>of Bismarck!

No, not true. Bismarck even refused to take the title duke of
lauenburg.

>And did you know, that after WWII the british and the sowjetish
occupation
>power did change some parts from Mecklenburg to the District
Herzogtum
>Lauenburg and some parts of this District to Mecklenburg?? - They did
want
>to have a straight border between the both occupation areas.

That's what i have already told.

>After the
>border between both german States did fall down in 1989, some people
did
>think to change this areas back. But such ideas are now from the
table.
>
>Our borders in Germany and Europe are not so fixed as in other parts
of the
>world. Strange researchers do find often very incomprehensible
situations in
>Europe, and especially in Germany! - That is consequence of our
complicated
>history! - But thats live!

well, the lauenburg borders were quite stable from 1265 to 1945.

Arne Nilsson

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