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Subject: Re: A NEW HOME FOR THOSE ERRONEOUS ANCESTORS
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 23:41:11 UNDEFINED
In article <> (Tom Camfield)
writes:
>For those of you who may have copied out the descent from Fergus Mor Mac
>Earca to Malcolm II that I had erroneously (it now seems apparent) applied
>to the Bruce ancestry--and (like me) can't bring yourself to toss some of
>those colorful old names such as "Alpin the Venomous" and "Gabhran the
>Treacherous":
>Do what I did; find a new home for this crowd.
>I'm applying it to the Dunbar ancestry of Sir James Hamilton myself
>(Malcolm II's OTHER daughter Bethoc m. Crian the Thane; they had Maldred
>who m. Ealdgyth, granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready
Well, I have a mention of "Milcolmbus's" daughter "Beatrix", who married
"Albanach (Grimus)" (aka Crinan/Cronan), "Thane of the Scots Isles and
hereditary Lay Abbot of Dunkeld" (methinks the book author got stuck with the
Latin forms of names...); their son was Duncan I (who was killed by MacBeth);
his son, Malcolm III had a daughter, Eadgyth/Matilda, who married Henry I
Beauclerk of England and thus brings in all of the fun descendants of Henry I
and Henry II. :-)
>Meanwhile, I also am introducing former generation number-one (Fergus Mor
>Mac Earca) with the following:
I musta missed the original list--could you mail it to me?
Here's what I have, copied out of some pre-WWII (by a lot...) book (and no, I
don't remember the name; it was in my college library), with some
minor additions from many and various sources:
(original source gives father/son relationships only)
1. Eaochy Munrevar (Eugenius), King of Dalriada; d. (before 439)
2. Erc, King of Dalriada; d. ca. 474
3. Fergus Mor; suc. 503; d. 506
4. Domangart; suc. 506; d. 511
5. Gauran (Gabhran); suc. 535; d. 557
6. Aidan; suc. 571; d. 605
7. Eocha'-bui ("Yellow-haired"); suc. 605; d. 621
8. Donal-breac (Domnal) ("Freckled"); suc. 637; d. (3?) Dec 642
9. Domangart II; suc. 660; d. (murdered) 672
10. Eocha'-Rinevel ("Crooked-nose"); suc. 702; d. 705
11. Eocha III "the Venomous"; suc. 706; d. 733
12a. Aodh-fin (Hugh the High King/Aodhin Arf-hlaith); suc. 739; d. 769
13a. Eocha-annuine IV (Achaius); suc. 796; d. 826 m. [14b.]
12b.Fergus (Urguist), King of Dal Riata; suc. 778
13b. Angus II (Oengus, Unuist), King of the Picts, Ard Righ Albann (suc. 821);
d. 833
14b. Fergusia
14a. Alpin; suc. 833; d. 836 (832/834); son of [13a.] & [14b.]
15. Kenneth Macalpine; suc. 836; King of Scots & Picts (suc.843); d. 859
16. Constantine I (II); suc. 863; d. 881 (877)
17. Donal IV (II); King of Scots (suc. 889) and Picts (suc. 893); d. 904 (900)
18. Malcolm I; suc. 944; d. 953
19. Kenneth II; suc. 970 (971); d. 994 (995)
20. Malcolm II, King of Scotland; suc. 1003 (1005); b. ca. 954; d. 25 Nov 1034
How's that match up with what you've got?
Aardy R. DeVarque
Feudalism: Serf & Turf
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