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From: Jared Olar <>
Subject: Re: King Astur and decendents
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:14:38 -0600
Hi John. The lineage you have provided has all the appearance of being
one of the numerous pedigrees made up almost out of whole cloth in the
Middle Ages, to provide royalty and nobility with illustrious descents
from the heroes of ancient legend. I'll intersperse some comment below.
On Thu, 21 Mar 1996, JOHN de CELIS wrote:
> King Astur, King of Crete and Alemania and Prince of the Priestly College of
> Egypt. Known in other languages as Anubis, lobo, and Ammon.
> M. 1st. Queen Europa, had son Rhadamanto who was King after Astur,
Astur, Europa, and Rhadamanto are prominent figures of ancient Greek
legends and myths. The Greeks called them ASTERION, EUROPE, and
RHADAMANTHOS. This family is none other than the royal family of Crete,
of whom King MINOS was the most famous member.
> M. 2nd. Sybila Erithrea d. of King Ierion. King of Cadiz,
> King Naraco, succeeded Rhadamanto at his death,
> King Astur II who flourished in the time of the destruction of Troy,
> King Salario. ruled during the great Seca (drought) de Espana,
If I remember right, the great Seca supposedly occurred in the 1000's
> King Oca,
> King Cantabro,
Eponym of Cantabria, no doubt . . . . a suspicious name.
> King Astur III,
> King Herdo, fought with Hannibal against the Romans,
The number of generations from Astur/Asterion to Herdo is much too
small. Asterion would have lived (unless he was wholly fictitious) well
before 1200 B.C., while the Punic Wars took place in the 200's B.C.
> King Astur IV
> Duke Lupo I of Cantabria, had many battles with Augustus Caesar,
> Duke Luzio Lupo, The Evangelio,
> Duke Audilo, traveled to Jerusalem in 36/37 AD returning with Apostle
> Santiago (St James),
Here we have a fusion of Cantabrian tradition with Spanish ecclesiastical
legends. Lupo or Lupus was a common name in this area in the 600's to
800's A.D. Also, the name Audilo sounds Visigothic. One would not expect
such names in the Spain of the first century A.D.
> Duke Macrino,
> Duke Nestor,
> Duke Zenon I,
> Duke Karalio,
> Duke Zeliano,
> Duke Zenon II,
> Duke Lupo II,
> Duke Zepherino,
> Duke Lupo III,
> Duke Astruardo,
> Duke Lupo IV,
> Duke Ethonico,
> Duke Lupo V,
> Duke Zenon III,
> Duke Lupo IV,
> Duke Zelio,
> Duke Leonzio,
> Duke Argoto,
> Duke Velindo,
> Duke Lupo VII,
> Duke Amadio,
> Duke Antenio,
> Duke Zenon IV,
> Duke Ellozio,
> Duke Palanto,
> Duke Lupo VIII.
A long unbroken succession in the male line is extremely unlikely.
This has all the appearance of one of those fabricated pedigrees of the
nobility. I am curious to find out what is the earliest attestation of this
pedigree. Legendary medieval pedigrees is a little hobby I have . . . .