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From: Grant Menzies <>
Subject: Re: Oldest male line?
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 01:52:10 GMT


John Yohalem <> wrote:

>---------
>> From: bryan tinlin <>
>> To:
>> Subject: Oldest male line?
>> Date: Wednesday, October 23, 1996 11:11 PM
>>
>> What is the oldest traceable European straight male line from someone who
>> is alive today? Are there any male line descendants of Charlemagne in
>the
>> present day or, if not, who was the last one?
>>
>> Bryan
>>

>There was a cadet of the house of Vermandois who died around 1365 without
>issue.

>The Guelfs of Hannover go back to the beginnings of the House of Este -- I
>don't know the precise year; the legend says 5th century but I don't
>believe it. After them, I suppose, it would be the Orsini or the Colonna.

I still think the Uradel family of Hessen, the v. BOYENBURG, who go
back to the 900s with imperial connections way back then and are still
extant, are at least first runners-up.

G M Menzies

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