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From: Jim Stevens <>
Subject: Re: Gerberga, wife of Adalbert (was re. Welfs)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:39:26 -0500


>In article <>, Medieval Genealogy
>Discussion List <> [Jim Stevens] wrote:
>
>> >>>Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (94:34):
>> >>>
>> >>>Adelbert II, King of Lombardy, Joint-king of Italy, 950-961; b.c936; d.
>> >>>abt.30 Apr 971; md. (1) Gerberga of Macon; "heiress of Macon; d. 11
>Dec.986
>> >>>dau. of Othon (says ES, II:59). NOTE: Moriarity, p.37, says parents of
>> >>>Gerberga were Lietaud I, Count of Macon, and Berta. Other sources say
>> >>>LAMBERT, COUNT OF CHALONS and AELIZ."
>> >>>
>
>> >>
>> >>There is a succinct discussion of the evidence for and the debate over the
>> >>identity of the parents of Gerberge in Constance Brittain Bouchard *Sword,
>> >>Mitre and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980-1198* (Ithica
>> >>NY & London, Cornell University Press, 1987) pp.265-268. CBB argues for
>> >>Lambert.
>> >>
>> >>Richard
>> >
>> >Thanks, Richard. That being the case, let me ask one more question. What
>> >does CBB say about Lambert's wife and Gerberga's mother ? Stuart simply
>> >calls her Aeliz.I show her a Adelaide, dau. of Robert of Troyes, Count of
>> >Vermondois (d.29 Aug 968) and the widow of Geoffrey I, Count of Angou
>> >(938-987).
>> >
>> >() Jim
>
>(snip)
>
> To further complicate matters, while both ES ii, 11 and ES ii, 59
>list an Othon as father of Gerberga, the revised version of ES ii, 59
>(which appears in iii(1)), and ES iii, 439 both list Letalde, Count of
>Macon as her father. This agrees with Moriarty and Winkhaus. However
>Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers genealogiques des
>Capetiens", 469, lists Lambert de Chalon as father of Gerberga.
> If one accepts Letalde as father, there is little consensus as to
>Gerberga's mother. Letalde m. (1) Ermengarde of Chalon; (2) Berta,
>possibly dau. of Garnier\Warinus, Count of Troyes; and (3) Richilde, dau.
>of Richard of Autun. Winkhaus lists Ermengarde as Gerberga's mother;
>Moriarty lists Berta; and ES (in vol. iii) lists either Berta or Richilde.
> This probably doesn't help at all.
>
>--
>Alan B. Wilson
>

I guess for now "Unknown" with this message appended as a note will do.

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