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From: Ervin Leifheit <>
Subject: Re: Gerberga, wife of Adalbert (was re. Welfs)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 18:37:19 -0700


Alan B. Wilson wrote:
>
> In article <>, Medieval Genealogy
> Discussion List <> [Jim Stevens] wrote:
>
> > >>>Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (94:34):
> > >>>
> > >>>Adelbert II, King of Lombardy, Joint-king of Italy, 950-961; b.c936; d.
> > >>>abt.30 Apr 971; md. (1) Gerberga of Macon; "heiress of Macon; d. 11
> Dec.986
> > >>>dau. of Othon (says ES, II:59). NOTE: Moriarity, p.37, says parents of
> > >>>Gerberga were Lietaud I, Count of Macon, and Berta. Other sources say
> > >>>LAMBERT, COUNT OF CHALONS and AELIZ."
> > >>>
>
> > >>
> > >>There is a succinct discussion of the evidence for and the debate over the
> > >>identity of the parents of Gerberge in Constance Brittain Bouchard *Sword,
> > >>Mitre and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980-1198* (Ithica
> > >>NY & London, Cornell University Press, 1987) pp.265-268. CBB argues for
> > >>Lambert.
> > >>
> > >>Richard
> > >
> > >Thanks, Richard. That being the case, let me ask one more question. What
> > >does CBB say about Lambert's wife and Gerberga's mother ? Stuart simply
> > >calls her Aeliz.I show her a Adelaide, dau. of Robert of Troyes, Count of
> > >Vermondois (d.29 Aug 968) and the widow of Geoffrey I, Count of Angou
> > >(938-987).
> > >
> > >() Jim
>
> (snip)
>
> To further complicate matters, while both ES ii, 11 and ES ii, 59
> list an Othon as father of Gerberga, the revised version of ES ii, 59
> (which appears in iii(1)), and ES iii, 439 both list Letalde, Count of
> Macon as her father. This agrees with Moriarty and Winkhaus. However
> Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers genealogiques des
> Capetiens", 469, lists Lambert de Chalon as father of Gerberga.
> If one accepts Letalde as father, there is little consensus as to
> Gerberga's mother. Letalde m. (1) Ermengarde of Chalon; (2) Berta,
> possibly dau. of Garnier\Warinus, Count of Troyes; and (3) Richilde, dau.
> of Richard of Autun. Winkhaus lists Ermengarde as Gerberga's mother;
> Moriarty lists Berta; and ES (in vol. iii) lists either Berta or Richilde.
> This probably doesn't help at all.
>
> --
> Alan B. Wilson
>

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