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From: Nathaniel Taylor <>
Subject: Re: Descendants of 'Saint' William, duke of Toulouse
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 21:07:34 -0500


In article <>, Richard
Borthwick wrote:

> At 05:43 PM 23/05/97 -0500, NLT wrote:
> >
> >In this chart, possible or putative extended lines of descent are marked
> >to correspond to brief notes below. Of these lines, only 2 are in the ES:
> >[A1] and [B1].
>
> B2 gets an airing in ES III:731. This maybe intended as a correction to the
> material in II:68 (cf. III:145 (as subsq. corrected)) or else maybe there is
> no such intention and what we have is contradictory material.
> >
Yes, you're right. I said:
> >
> >[B2. Adelinda, sis. of Wm. the Pious, m. Acfred I of Carcassonne & had
> >three sons: William the Younger, Acfred, and (poss.) Bernard. ES 3:731
> >shows this Acfred as having daughter Arsenda, mother in turn of count
> >Roger the Old, with a widespread well-known progeny; however, it is
> >generally assumed, as in ES 2:68, that Arsenda's father was actaully
> >Acfred's cousin Acfred II of Carcassonne, known to be nephew and not son
> >of Acfred I.]

Some of ES was published out of order, and I'm not sure if 3:731 postdates
(and/or was intended as a correction of) 2:68. Other charts I've seen,
such as that in the 19th-century _Histoire generale de Languedoc, v. 2,
and that made by Armand de Fluvia in the _Gran Enciclopedia Catalana_
under the heading 'Carcasona' (pub. early '80s), agree with 2:68, but I
have yet to track down the documentary evidence either way.

Nat Taylor

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