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From: William Addams Reitwiesner <>
Subject: Re: Genealogical Encounters
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:01:27 GMT


Rafal Heydel-Mankoo <> wrote:

>D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>
>> Winston Churchill [1874-1965] and Theodore Roosevelt [1858-1919] did meet
>> each other and did not much care for each other. TR thought Winston to be
>> young and brash. Winston saw TR as blustering and insufficiently
>> respectful of things British. TR, while respecting the Brits and the
>> French, had a warm spot for the Germans and the Japanese.
>>
>> Now what if Sir Winston had met and had cocktails and dinner with Humphrey
>> Bogart [1899-1957], a younger TR in some ways, and also a New Yorker.
>> Winston's Mother was also a New Yorker, Jennie Jerome.
>>
>> Does anyone know if Sir Winston and Bogie every lifted a glass and broke
>> bread together? The genealogical links between the two men might prove
>> intriguing.
>>
>> D. Spencer Hines --- "Genealogy is an infinite binary series --- both
>> regressively and progressively --- propagated by means of a terminal ---
>> sexually transmitted disease --- producing a 100% death rate --- that we
>> call Life." [DSH] --- 4 June 1997
>
>
>There is no documented proof that Churchill ever met Bogart. Churchill
>was an avid film watcher, however, and he was a great fan of
>Casablanca. John Colville, Churchill's Private Secretary, does write
>about an encounter between Churchill and Irving Berlin which deserves a
>mention:
>
>"Wednesday, February 9th [1944]
>Lunched at No. 10 with the P.M. and...Mr. Irving Berlin. After lunch
>the P.M. forestalled Irving Berlin asking leading questions by
>addressing them to his potential interlocutor (e.g. "When do you think
>the war will end, Mr. Berlin?")....Berlin said he thought Roosevelt
>would get in at the coming presidential election, and in this his name
>should help him because in all Republican systems human nature triumphed
>over constitutional principle and the hereditary system came into its
>own....
>"It later transpired that the reason why Mr. Irving Berlin had been
>bidden to lunch was a comic misunderstanding. Ther are sprightly, if
>somewhat over-vivid, political summaries telegraphed home every week
>from the Washington Embassy. The P.M., inquiring who worte them, had
>been told by me, "Mr. Isaiah Berlin, Fellow of All Souls and Tutor of
>New College [Oxford]." When Irving Berlin came over here to entertain
>the troops with his songs, the P.M. confused him with Isaiah and invited
>him to lunch--and conversed with him, to his embarrassment, as if he had
>been Isaiah."

While the above may be amusing, or possibly even valuable, I feel I must
remind the participants that neither Roosevelt, nor Bogart, nor Churchill,
were alive in the Medieval period. Discussing them is off-topic here,
unless of course you're talking about the Medieval portions of their
ancestry. Please try to keep our discussions here focussed on Medieval
genealogy, and if you want to continue with, for example, the Churchill
anecdotes, please take them to the <alt.fan.winston-churchill> newsgroup.

William Addams Reitwiesner
FAQ maintainer, <soc.genealogy.medieval>

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