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From: Jim Roache <>
Subject: Re: Diana
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 10:48:03 -0400


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If that was a pun Tim, eat your heart out. If serious, I prefer to follow the
myocondrial DNA in this case (even if I can't spell it)......

Spencer, Diana Frances, Princess of Wales

Born: 1 JUL 1961, Park House, Sandringham, Norfolk, England
Baptized: Sandringham Church, Norfolk, England
Acceded: 1981

Father: Spencer, Edward John VIII, Earl of Spencer 8th, b. 24 JAN 1924

Mother: Roche, Frances Burke, Hon., b. 1936

Married 29 JUL 1981, St.Paul's Cathedral, London, England 1996 to Windsor,
Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales

Child 1: Windsor, William, Prince of Wales, b. 21 JUN 1982
Child 2: Windsor, Henry, Prince of Wales, b. 15 SEP 1984
_____________

Roche, Frances Burke, Hon.

Born: 1936

Father: Roche, Edmund Maurice Burke, Baron Fermoy 4th, b. 1885

Mother: Gill, Ruth Sylvia, Lady Fermoy, b. 1908

Married 1954, Westminster Abbey, London, England to Spencer, Edward John
VIII, Earl of Spencer 8th

Child 1: Spencer, Elizabeth Sarah, Hon. Lady, b. 1955
Child 2: Spencer, Cynthia Jane, Hon., b. 1957
Child 3: Spencer, John, Lord, b. 1960
Child 4: Spencer, Diana Frances, Princess of Wales, b. 1 JUL 1961 AUG 30,
1997
Child 5: Spencer, Charles, Earl Spencer 9th, b. 20 MAY 1964

Married 1969 to Shand-Kydde, Peter

__________________

Roche, Edmund Maurice Burke, Baron Fermoy 4th

Born: 1885
Died: 1955

Father: Roche, James Boothby Burke, Baron Fermoy 3rd, b. 1851

Mother: Work, Frances Ellen, b. 1857

Married 1931 to Gill, Ruth Sylvia, Lady Fermoy

Child 1: Roche, Frances Burke, Hon., b. 1936

___________________________

Roche, James Boothby Burke, Baron Fermoy 3rd

Born: 1851
Died: 1920

Father: Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron Fermoy, b. 1815

Mother: Boothby, Elizabeth Caroline, b. 1821

Married to Work, Frances Ellen

Child 1: Roche, Edmund Maurice Burke, Baron Fermoy 4th, b. 1885

_________________________

Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron Fermoy

Born: 1815
Died: 1874

Father: Roche, Edward

Mother: Curtain, Margaret Honoria

Married to Boothby, Elizabeth Caroline

Child 1: Roche, James Boothby Burke, Baron Fermoy 3rd, b. 1851

_____________________

1. Roche, Edward

Died: 1855

Married to Curtain, Margaret Honoria

Child 1: Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron Fermoy, b. 1815

Princess Diana's matrilineal descent (female line from daughter to mother) can
be traced back to an Armenian concubine of a British soldier stationed in
India. Eliza Kevork was Princess Diana's ancestor -- Kevork is an Armenian
name.

Eliza Kevork = Theodore Forbes (1788-1820)
Katherine Scott Forbes (1812-1893) m. James Crombie (1810-1878)
Jane Crombie (1843-1917) m. 1872 David Littlejohn (1841-1924)
Ruth Littlejohn (1879-1964) m. 1898 Col. William Smith Gill (1865-1957)
Ruth Gill (1908-1993) m. 1931 Maurice Burke Roche 4 B Fermoy
(1885-1955)
Frances Burke Roche (b. 1936) m. 1954 % 1969 Edward Spencer 8 E Spencer
(1924-1992)
Diana Spencer (b. 1961) m. 1981 % Charles P of Wales (*1948)

********************************

Interestingly, there are no Roches left in Castletownroche/Fermoy. The old
estate, Blackwater Castle, is now owned by a German couple and plastered
with "No Trespassing" signs...inaccessible to the public even for exterior
photos.

********************************

To trace the history of the family from Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron
Fermoy, b. 1815, back to the Adam de Rupe (de Roch) of Roch Castle
Pembrokshire, Wales who established the family at Fermoy in 1196, see "A
Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages
of the British Empire" by Sir Bernard Burke, C.B., LL.D., Ulster King of Arms,
London: Harrison, 59, Pall Mall, Bookseller to Her Majesty and H.R.H. the
Prince of Wales, 1883 (New Edition), pp 454-456.

Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:

>And while anyone is about it, is there any connection between Despencer and
>Spencer?

> In message <>
> (DavidBotts) wrote:
>
> > It's a shame about Diana and the rest of the folks in the accident. I had
> > been working a bit on her line as her sons cousin to Botts and Boones in
> > the 1,000,000 relation database.
> >
> > Would any of you know if the Spencer family ties into the royal family at
> > some point, by kinship, not marriage? Her sons are cousins to interrelated
> > Botts and Boone, through Charles, but is there another link through Diana's
> > family into the greater royal families of Europe?

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If that was a pun Tim, eat your heart out. If serious, I prefer to follow
the myocondrial DNA in this case (even if I can't spell it)......

<P>Spencer, Diana Frances, Princess of Wales

<P>Born: 1 JUL 1961, Park House, Sandringham, Norfolk, England
<BR>Baptized: Sandringham Church, Norfolk, England
<BR>Acceded: 1981

<P>Father: Spencer, Edward John VIII, Earl of Spencer 8th, b. 24 JAN 1924

<P><B>Mother: Roche, Frances Burke, Hon., b. 1936</B>

<P>Married 29 JUL 1981, St.Paul's Cathedral, London, England 1996 to Windsor,
<BR>Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales

<P>Child 1: Windsor, William, Prince of Wales, b. 21 JUN 1982
<BR>Child 2: Windsor, Henry, Prince of Wales, b. 15 SEP 1984
<BR>_____________

<P>Roche, Frances Burke, Hon.

<P>Born: 1936

<P>Father: Roche, Edmund Maurice Burke, Baron Fermoy 4th, b. 1885

<P>Mother: Gill, Ruth Sylvia, Lady Fermoy, b. 1908

<P>Married 1954, Westminster Abbey, London, England to Spencer, Edward
John
<BR>VIII, Earl of Spencer 8th

<P>Child 1: Spencer, Elizabeth Sarah, Hon. Lady, b. 1955
<BR>Child 2: Spencer, Cynthia Jane, Hon., b. 1957
<BR>Child 3: Spencer, John, Lord, b. 1960
<BR>Child 4: Spencer, Diana Frances, Princess of Wales, b. 1 JUL 1961 AUG
30,
<BR>1997
<BR>Child 5: Spencer, Charles, Earl Spencer 9th, b. 20 MAY 1964

<P>Married 1969 to Shand-Kydde, Peter

<P>__________________
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>Roche, Edmund Maurice Burke, Baron Fermoy 4th

<P>Born: 1885
<BR>Died: 1955

<P>Father: Roche, James Boothby Burke, Baron Fermoy 3rd, b. 1851

<P>Mother: Work, Frances Ellen, b. 1857

<P>Married 1931 to Gill, Ruth Sylvia, Lady Fermoy

<P>Child 1: Roche, Frances Burke, Hon., b. 1936

<P>___________________________

<P>Roche, James Boothby Burke, Baron Fermoy 3rd

<P>Born: 1851
<BR>Died: 1920

<P>Father: Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron Fermoy, b. 1815

<P>Mother: Boothby, Elizabeth Caroline, b. 1821

<P>Married to Work, Frances Ellen

<P>Child 1: Roche, Edmund Maurice Burke, Baron Fermoy 4th, b. 1885

<P>_________________________
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron Fermoy

<P>Born: 1815
<BR>Died: 1874

<P>Father: Roche, Edward

<P>Mother: Curtain, Margaret Honoria

<P>Married to Boothby, Elizabeth Caroline

<P>Child 1: Roche, James Boothby Burke, Baron Fermoy 3rd, b. 1851

<P>_____________________

<P>1. Roche, Edward

<P>Died: 1855

<P>Married to Curtain, Margaret Honoria

<P>Child 1: Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron Fermoy, b. 1815
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>Princess Diana's matrilineal descent (female line from daughter to mother)
can
<BR>be traced back to an Armenian concubine of a British soldier stationed
in
<BR>India. Eliza Kevork was Princess Diana's ancestor -- Kevork is an Armenian
<BR>name.
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>&nbsp; Eliza Kevork = Theodore Forbes (1788-1820)
<BR>&nbsp; Katherine Scott Forbes (1812-1893) m. James Crombie (1810-1878)
<BR>&nbsp; Jane Crombie (1843-1917) m. 1872 David Littlejohn (1841-1924)
<BR>&nbsp; Ruth Littlejohn (1879-1964) m. 1898 Col. William Smith Gill
(1865-1957)
<BR>&nbsp; Ruth Gill (1908-1993) m. 1931 Maurice Burke Roche 4 B Fermoy
<BR>(1885-1955)
<BR>&nbsp; Frances Burke Roche (b. 1936) m. 1954 % 1969 Edward Spencer
8 E Spencer
<BR>&nbsp; (1924-1992)
<BR>&nbsp; Diana Spencer (b. 1961) m. 1981 % Charles P of Wales (*1948)

<P>********************************

<P>Interestingly, there are no Roches left in Castletownroche/Fermoy. The
old
<BR>estate, Blackwater Castle, is now owned by a German couple and plastered
<BR>with "No Trespassing" signs...inaccessible to the public even for exterior
<BR>photos.

<P>********************************

<P>To trace the history of the family from Roche, Edmund Burke, Baron
<BR>Fermoy, b. 1815, back to the Adam de Rupe (de Roch) of Roch Castle
<BR>Pembrokshire, Wales who established the family at Fermoy in 1196, see
"A
<BR>Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct
Peerages
<BR>of the British Empire" by Sir Bernard Burke, C.B., LL.D., Ulster King
of Arms,
<BR>London: Harrison, 59, Pall Mall, Bookseller to Her Majesty and H.R.H.
the
<BR>Prince of Wales, 1883 (New Edition), pp 454-456.

<P>Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:

<P>>And while anyone is about it, is there any connection between Despencer
and
<BR>>Spencer?
<BR>&nbsp;
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>In message
<>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(DavidBotts) wrote:

<P>> It's a shame about Diana and the rest of the folks in the accident.&nbsp;
I had
<BR>> been working a bit on her line as her sons cousin to Botts and Boones
in
<BR>> the 1,000,000 relation database.
<BR>>
<BR>> Would any of you know if the Spencer family ties into the royal family
at
<BR>> some point, by kinship, not marriage?&nbsp; Her sons are cousins
to interrelated
<BR>> Botts and Boone, through Charles, but is there another link through
Diana's
<BR>> family into the greater royal families of Europe?</BLOCKQUOTE>
&nbsp;</HTML>

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