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From: AJones9446< >
Subject: Dale and de Bohun
Date: 25 Oct 1997 18:54:20 GMT

A family called Dale or de la Dale lived in Dale Hall, Manningtree,
Essex and also in Suffolk, up to the 14th century. Its most
distinguished member, Sir Thomas Dale, apparently fought in the
French wars of the time and was for a time deputy to Lionel, Duke of
Clarence, in Ireland. He died in a shipwreck caused by a severe storm
off the Irish coast in 1379 (along with Sir John Arundel and others).
According to a manuscript collection of references (said to have been
copied from originals in the College of Arms) in the library of the
Society of Genealogists in London, he married Isabel or Sybil de
Bohun of Barford, Bedfordshire. The collection was said to have
been assembled originally by Robert Dale (a descendant) who was
Richmond Herald and died in 1722, she was a daughter of a brother
(unnamed) of Humphrey de Bohun (died 1372/3), the last Earl of
Hereford. However, none of the "standard" de Bohun pedigrees show
Humphrey as having had a brother and Isabel/Sybil's identity is a
mystery. Sir Thomas Dale had at least two sons - the elder Dale line
died out in the early 1500s in Berkshire, but the younger branch
continued in Westerdale, Yorkshire, and possibly still exists. The
LDS church's Ancestral File contains a pedigree of the Dale family
which has more detail (names, dates, events) than the one in the
Society of Genealogists, but it was contributed by the Family History
Department's Medieval Families Unit, and they do not provide their
sources of information to enquirers. (That pedigree names Sir
Thomas's wife as Isabel or Sybil de Bohun, but does not link her to
any parents.)

Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can investigate the de Bohun
link further and also how I can find out more about the source of
information used for the Ancestral File pedigree?

Alan Jones

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