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Subject: Re: Roger Wentworth's Spouse
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:18:15 -0500 (EST)


In a message dated 97-11-29 12:31:36 EST, you write:

<< 6. Robert de Tibetot, born 1341; died 13 Apr 1372. He was the son of
12.
John de Tibetot and 13. Margaret de Badlesmere. He married 7. Margaret
Deincourt 13 Apr 1372.
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Did he die on his wedding day???

Well, that's what Weis says (Magna Charta Sureties, 1215; 4th ed. 2-7).
Burke's gives a death year of 1372, so I am deleting the marriage date from
my db.

14. William Deincourt, born Bef. 1300; died 2 Jun 1364. He was the son of
28. John Deincourt. He married 15. Milicent la Zouche Bef. 26 Mar 1326.
15. Milicent la Zouche, died 22 Jun 1379. She was the daughter of 30.
William la Zouche and 31. Maud Lovel.

Children of William Deincourt and Milicent la Zouche are:
i.William Deincourt, born ca. 1294; died 2 Jun 1364; married Margaret de
Welles.

Is it possible these are one in the same??

I don't think so, although the death date of the son is a bit suspicious.
Burke's isn't any help here, BTW.

18. John de Cobham.

I have as 19. Margaret de Courtenay

I think that's the wrong John de Cobham. My source is Weis,
_Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed., 74A-33, where it says that Sir Philip le
Despencer, b. 6 Apr 1313, d. 22 or 23 Aug 1349, married "Joan, prob. dau. Sir
John de Cobham." Joan had a daughter Hawise who was b. ca. 1345 (AR7
74A-34), so couldn't have been born much after 1330, if not before. Your
John de Cobham (3d Lord Cobham) d. 1409. He had a daughter Joan who m. John
de la Pole. In order to have been father of the Joan that m. Philip le
Despencer, he'd have had to be born ca. 1310 and have lived to 89. Possible,
but not likely in those days. His father, John de Cobham, 2d Lord Cobham, is
a more likely candidate, time wise. However, when a person is a Baron or
Earl, Weis usually says so. Too many Johns de Cobham to be sure:

Descendants of Henry de Cobbeham

Generation No. 1

1. Henry1 de Cobbeham.

Children of Henry de Cobbeham are:
+2i.John2 de Cobbeham.
3ii.Reginald de Cobbeham.
4iii.William de Cobbeham.

Generation No. 2

2. John2 de Cobbeham (Henry1). He married (1) <Unnamed>, daughter of
Warine FitzBenedict. He married (2) Joane de Neville, daughter of Hugh de
Neville.

Children of John de Cobbeham and are:
+5i.John3 de Cobbeham.
+6ii.Henry de Cobbeham.

Child of John de Cobbeham and Joane de Neville is:
+7i.Reginald3 de Cobbeham, died 1361.

Generation No. 3

5. John3 de Cobbeham (John2, Henry1). He married Joan de Septvaus.

Children of John de Cobbeham and Joan de Septvaus are:
+8i.Henry4 de Cobham, died 1339.
9ii.Reginald de Cobham. He married Joane de Evere.
+10iii.John de Cobham.

6. Henry3 de Cobbeham (John2, Henry1). He married Joane de Pencestre,
daughter of Stephen de Pencestre.

Children of Henry de Cobbeham and Joane de Pencestre are:
+11i.Stephen4 de Cobbeham, died 1334.
+12ii.Ralph de Cobbeham, died 1325.

7. Reginald3 de Cobbeham (John2, Henry1) died 1361. He married Joan de
Berkeley, daughter of Maurice de Berkeley.

Child of Reginald de Cobbeham and Joan de Berkeley is:
+13i.Reynold4 de Cobham, died 6 Jul 1403.

Generation No. 4

8. Henry4 de Cobham (John3 de Cobbeham, John2, Henry1) died 1339. He
married Maud de Columbers.

Child of Henry de Cobham and Maud de Columbers is:
+14i.John5 de Cobham.

10. John4 de Cobham (John3 de Cobbeham, John2, Henry1). He married Amicia
de Bolhay, daughter of James de Bolhay.

Child of John de Cobham and Amicia de Bolhay is:
15i.Isabel5 de Cobham. She married John Bamfield II.

11. Stephen4 de Cobbeham (Henry3, John2, Henry1) died 1334. He married
Avice.

Child of Stephen de Cobbeham and Avice is:
16i.John5 de Cobbeham.

12. Ralph4 de Cobbeham (Henry3, John2, Henry1) died 1325. He married Mary
de Brewes, daughter of Peter de Brewes and Agnes.

Child of Ralph de Cobbeham and Mary de Brewes is:
17i.John5 de Cobham.

13. Reynold4 de Cobham (Reginald3 de Cobbeham, John2, Henry1) died 6 Jul
1403. He married (3) Elizabeth de Stafford Aft. 1367, daughter of Ralph de
Stafford and Margaret de Audley. He married (4) Alianor Maltravers Aft.
1375, daughter of John Maltravers and Gwenllian.

Child of Reynold de Cobham is:
+18i.Elizabeth5 de Cobham.

Child of Reynold de Cobham is:
+19i.Reginald5 de Cobham.

Generation No. 5

14. John5 de Cobham (Henry4, John3 de Cobbeham, John2, Henry1). He married
Joan de Beauchamp, daughter of John de Beauchamp and Joan Chenduit.

Child of John de Cobham and Joan de Beauchamp is:
+20i.John6 de Cobham, died 10 Jan 1407/08.

18. Elizabeth5 de Cobham (Reynold4, Reginald3 de Cobbeham, John2, Henry1).
She married Richard le Strange, son of John le Strange and Maud de Mohun.

Child of Elizabeth de Cobham and Richard le Strange is:
+21i.John6 le Strange, died 15 Oct 1477.

19. Reginald5 de Cobham (Reynold4, Reginald3 de Cobbeham, John2, Henry1).
He married (1) Eleanor Culpeper, daughter of Thomas Culpeper. He married
(2) Anne Bardolf, daughter of Thomas Bardolf and Avicia Cromwell.

Child of Reginald de Cobham and Eleanor Culpeper is:
22i.Eleanor6 Cobham, died 1454 in Peel Castle, Isle of Man. She married
Humphrey Plantagenet 1428.

Child of Reginald de Cobham is:
+23i.Reginald6 de Cobham.

Child of Reginald de Cobham is:
+24i.Thomas6 de Cobham.

Generation No. 6

20. John6 de Cobham (John5, Henry4, John3 de Cobbeham, John2, Henry1) died
10 Jan 1407/08. He married Margaret de Courtenay ca. 1333, daughter of Hugh
de Courtenay and Margaret de Bohun.

Child of John de Cobham and Margaret de Courtenay is:
25i.Joan7 Cobham, died ca. 1388. She married John de la Pole ca. 1362.

21. John6 le Strange (Elizabeth5 de Cobham, Reynold4, Reginald3 de
Cobbeham, John2, Henry1) died 15 Oct 1477. He married Jacquetta Wydeville
ca. 1462 in Grafton, Northamptonshire, England, daughter of Richard Wydeville
and Jacquette de Luxemburg.

Child of John le Strange and Jacquetta Wydeville is:
26i.Joan7 le Strange, born ca. 1463; died 20 Mar 1513/14. She married
George Stanley ca. 1482.

23. Reginald6 de Cobham (Reginald5, Reynold4, Reginald3 de Cobbeham, John2,
Henry1).

Child of Reginald de Cobham is:
27i.Margaret7 Cobham, died Bef. Apr 1471. She married Ralph Neville ca.
1442.

24. Thomas6 de Cobham (Reginald5, Reynold4, Reginald3 de Cobbeham, John2,
Henry1). He married Anne Stafford, daughter of Humphrey Stafford and Anne
Neville.

Child of Thomas de Cobham and Anne Stafford is:
28i.Anne7 Cobham. She married Edward Burgh.

27. Margaret de Clare, died 1365. She was the daughter of 54. Thomas de
Clare and 55. Juliane FitzMaurice.

I have her m. [1] Gilbert de Umphraville in 1289, [2] Bartholomew, and d. in
1333.

Weis concurs (MCS1215, 33-7). Mea culpa.

Any clarification appreciated.
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