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From: Luke Stevens <>
Subject: Re: Duptory, King of Ireland
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:05:29 -0500

>> These are not so much reasons to conclude that it is all a
>> fabrication, but that it derives from, say, a typical sixteenth
>> century redaction of earlier Welsh records now lost (something like
>> Llyfr Baglan).
>
> I see no reason to believe that it derives from a typical sixteenth
> century source. The material in question comes from Wurts, a source
> which is so completely unreliable for the early medieval period that
> it is not worthy of serious consideration, in my opinion. If you
> could actually cite a sixteenth century record, then it would at least
> be worth a look, although I think the reasons I gave before for being
> suspicious are still valid.

Thanks to Bartrum's "A Welsh Classical Dictionary" I was able to partly
confirm my suspicion about a 16th century source.

"According to Peniarth MS.270 p.246 (late 16th century) the wife of
Cadwaladr and mother of Idwal Iwrch was an un-named daughter of Alan,
king of Llydaw. Similarly Cardiff MS.2.136 (by Thomas Jones of
Tregarron) and Cardiff MS.5.6 p.30. William Llyn in Peniarth MS.131
p.161 calls her Agatha but makes her mother of Rhodri Molwynog.

"According to Peniarth MS.270 (late 16th century) p.246 the wife of
Cynan Dindaethwy was 'Mahallt ferch Iarll y Phlynt.'"

It seems reasonable to suspect that Duptory was mentioned on the same
page, but that Bartrum neglected to mention the reference.

Luke Stevens

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