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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Countess Ida and the Bradenstoke Cartulary
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:58:59 -1000
Adrian, thank you for getting us back onto the facts of William Longespee's
Mother and off Reading Comprehension 101.
Does anyone hold a birth date for William other than "probably circa 1176"
as I cited from AR7, Line 30?
Many people reading SGM are no doubt descended from William Longespee, Earl
of Salisbury, who was an important man in his own right --- warrior,
statesman and stand up gentleman. He was one of those old-fashioned leaders
who actually had Character.
Among Presidents of the United States and their wives many are reportedly
descended from William. James Madison, Mrs. Grant [Julia Boggs Dent Grant],
George Bush and Barbara Bush just for starters --- vide Gary Boyd Roberts'
"Ancestors of American Presidents" . I'll add George Washington [many
descents from William] and Thomas Jefferson, to the mix.
Anyone closely related to one of these Presidents or their ladies MAY [N.B.
Idiot Check.] well be descended from William of Longespee, Earl of
Salisbury. See the Dictionary of National Biography for the most
interesting and instructive career of this stand-up gentleman.
D. Spencer Hines
"Well, that's what I mean. You know, if all the people who are named
...deny it....That's all, I mean, I expect them to come looking into it and
interview you and everything, uh, but I just think that if everybody's on
record denying it you've got no problem.....I wonder if I'm going to be
blown out of the water with this. I don't see how they can...if they don't,
if they don't have pictures."
Governor Bill Clinton --- Telephonic Advice to Gennifer Flowers 
Adrian Channing wrote in message
I don't want to go over old ground, but could someone give brief details as
to if or why William Devereux Earl of Salisbury has been ruled out as the
father of Ida.
From Collectanea Cliffordiana by Arthur Clifford, Esq. (1817) states:
"Rosamund had by King Henry, two sons: William, surnamed "Longspee," and
Geoffrey, who was born in the year 1159. Her connexion with the king,
therefore, must have begun some years before that period; and as she died
in the year 1177, their intimacy appears to have lasted about twenty years;
nor could Rosamund have been very young at the time of her death.
William Longspee, Rosamund's eldest son, married Ela, sole daughter and
heir of William Fitzpatrick [ie William fitz Patrick], Earl of Salisbury,
through the interest of his half brother King Richard I, who after his
marriage, conferred the title of Earl of Salisbury upon him".
I note that Burke's Extinct peerage (1883) quotes Dugdale as evidence that
Eda was the D'Evereux heiress.
Adrian (Surrey, UK)
"I have no idea how an apple tree works. The quiet machine beneath the
bark is quite beyond my ken. [N English word for knowledge] But, like the
next man along, I find Imagination always willing to leap into Ignorance's
breach ...... " 5th Duke of Portland.
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