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From: Leo van de Pas< >
Subject: Re: Godfrey de Bouillon & Charlemagne
Date: 14 Nov 1998 18:42:54 -0800


At 10:23 PM 11/14/98 GMT, you wrote:
>This is one of the lines of descent that I have to Godefroy,
>any corrections will be appreciated.
>
>12. EMP.of the West, Charlemagne, b.2 Apr 742 Ingolheim,
> d.28 Jan 814 Aachen[Pepin/m./Bertrada GrandPied deLAON]
> m. SWABIA, Hildegarde v.Vinzgau,b.758, d.30 Apr 783
> | [Gerold 1 hg./m./Emma v. ALLEMANIA]
> |
>11. FRANCE,KING, H.R.EMP., Louis 1 lePieux,
> b.Aug 778 Garonne, d.20 Jun 840 Mainz
> m. BAVARIA, Judith d'Altorf,b.800?, d.19 Apr 843
> | [Guelf 2 gf.Andech hg./m./Edith/Hedwige v.SAXE]
> |
>10. FRANCE,KING, Charles 2 theBald,
> b. 13 Jun 823 Paris, d.6 Oct 877 Brides les Bains
> m. ORLEANS, Ermentrude d', b. 27 Sep 830,
> | d.6 Oct 869 [Otone/Eudes/m./Ingeltrude dePARIS]
> |
>9. FRANCE, Judith de, b. 843, d. Apr 870
> m. FLANDERS, Baudoin 1 Bras-de-Fer ct.de,
> | b. Aug 840, d. 879 [Odoacer ct.]
> |
>8. FLANDERS, Baudoin 2 leChauve ct., b.865? Fland., d.918
> m. ENGLAND, Elfride of, b. 877, d. 7 Jun 929
> | [Alfred the Great/m./Aelhswith of MERCIA]
> |
>7. FLANDERS, Arnoul 1 leGrand ct.,b.900? Fland.,d.27 Mar 964
> m. VERMANDOIS, Adele de, b. 915?, d. 960
> | [Herbert 2/m./Hildebrand/Lieutgarde deFRANCE]

.....Dear Mike a while ago this link was discussed and the findings were
that Arnoul's firs wife NN is the mother of this Hildegard. His son is by
Adele de Vermandois. However, this changes nothing in this lineage. But!
see further below.

> |
>6. FLANDERS, Hildegarde de, b. 930?Flanders, d.10 Apr 990
> m. W.FRIESLAND, Dietrich 2 gf.v., b. 920?,
> | d. 5 Jun 988 [Dietrich/m./Geva cts.FRIESLAND]
> |
>5. W.FRIESLAND, Arnulf 1 ct.Ghent,
> b.950?, d. 18 Sep 993
> m. LUXEMBOURG, Luitgarde de Cleves, b. 960?
> | [Siegfried ct.d'Ardennes/m./Hedwige v. SAXE]
> |
>4. HOLLAND, Adele de Ghent v., b. 985? Flanders
> m. BOULOGNE, Baudoin 2 ct.,b.976, d.1033 [Gui]

According to Genealogie der Graven van Holland, by Dr. AWE Dek, page 12.
Arnulf 'may' have had a daughter named Aleida,and this Aleida was married
to Engelram I Count of Pontieu who died circa 1045. As footnote this books
refers to: For this family see C. Brunel, Recueil des Actes des comtes de
Ponthieu, Paris 1930.

Now comes the interesting bit, Schwennicke Volume III/4 page 635.
Enguerrand I de Ponthieu married Adeliva, widow of Baudouin Comte de
Boulogne, and Adeliva is POSSIBLY daughter of Arnulf van Friesland. That
sounds positive until you get hold of page 621 of the same book, the page
covering the Counts of Boulogne. There is no mention of a Baudouin/Balduin
who married an Adeliva.........but if you look on this page you find that
Godfrey of Bouillon's father Eustache is the son of "Mathilde von Loewen"
(Louvain/Leuven) who in turn is a daughter of Gerberga von Lothringen
(Karolingerin) and we are back into line to Charlemagne. See your
generation 3 below.
> |
>3. BOULOGNE, Eustache 1 ct.de, b. 1004, d. 1049
> m. LOUVAIN, Mathilde de, b. 1000?
> | [Lambert 1 ct./m./Gerberge de LORRAINE]
> |
>2. BOULOGNE, Eustache 2 ct.de, b. 1030?, d. 1093
> m. ARDENNES-LORRAINE, St.Ide de Bouillon,
> | b. 1032?, d. 13 Aug 1113 [Godfroy 2 Barbatus
> | /m./Beatrix/Dode de BAR-U.LORRAINE]
> |
>1. JERUSALEM,KING, Godefroy de Bouillon,
> b. 1060?, d.18 Jul 1100
> m. MANDEVILLE, Beatrix de, b. 1070? []
>
>Are there any descendants of Godefroy de Bouillon?
Godfrey did not marry, nor have I heard of illegitimate children, but
perhaps others have?
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

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