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From: William Addams Reitwiesner< >
Subject: Re: Joan, The Fair Maid of Kent--recent bio
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 05:00:28 GMT


(John Carmi Parsons) wrote:

>The situation becomes more complicated when we take into account the female
>descents both the Black Prince and Joan of Kent shared from the Capetians.
>Joan's grandmother, Margaret of France (Edward I's second wife) was an aunt of
>Edward's grandmother Isabella of France, so they were also full second cousins
>once removed. Furthermore Queen Philippa, Edward's mother, was a daughter of
>Jeanne de Valois, grandniece of Joan's grandmother Margaret. All in the
>family. (Pope John XXII at one point hoped to cement peace between England
>and France and end what became the "Hundred Years' War" by having the Black
>Prince marry one of Charles IV's daughters; the degrees of kinship and
>affinity that had to be dealt with in THAT dispensation--which was actually
>issued, though to no avail--almost defy comprehension.)
>
>BTW, Joan of Kent and Thomas Holand had 5 children, though only 2 sons lived
>to maturity and left issue that lasted more than one generation. The first son
>died in infancy. One daughter married the duke of Brittany (widower of Edward
>III's daughter) but died childless. The other daughter married the count of
>Luxembourg-St Pol, but her only daughter died without issue. (See Lane's
>_Royal Daughters of England_.)

Actually, the other daughter (Maud Holand) married the count of Luxembourg
as her second husband. Her first husband was Hugh, Lord Courtenay, who
died s.p. in 1374. See the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*,
vol. IV, p. 325.

The daughter of Maud Holand and the count of Luxembourg was named Jeanne de
Luxembourg, and she did *not* die without issue. She married Antoine, duc
de Brabant (younger son of the duc de Bourgogne and grandson of Jean le Bon
of France) in 1402. Jeanne and Antoine had two sons, Jean (1403-1427) and
Philippe (1404-1430), successively ducs de Brabant. Philippe died
unmarried, but Jean was one of the many husbands of Jacquette of Holland
(d. 1436).

The bottom line is the same: there are no surviving descendants of the
daughters of Joan of Kent. It just took one more generation for them to
die out :)

William Addams Reitwiesner


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