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From: Tristan Tornado <>
Subject: Re: William The Marshal [c.1147-1219]
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:46:26 -0800 (PST)


thank you for that informative post on William the
Marshal. I think perhaps I also inherited my good
looks, charm, kindness, diplomacy, geniosity,and
humbleness from Sir William. He was not only the
greatest knight, but the greatest man that ever lived
and if anyone wants to argue with me let them try.
Amazing that the greatest man amongst our ancestors was
also illiterate. AND I bet he enjoeyed a good laugh now
and then unlike some people.

Tristan
(whose no-eye dolly has been crying for days because of
some people in here)

--- "D. Spencer Hines"
<> wrote:
> Nat Taylor once, circa 1996, posted a short piece to
> soc.genealogy.medieval to the effect that of all his
> ancestors he
> thought he might be proudest of William the Marshal.

> That's quite
> eloquent, in my opinion.
>
> Of course, I'm not quoting Nat directly and if I've
> got it wrong I
> hope he'll speak up and tell us the truth.
>
> Nat Taylor also said this:
> ---------------------------------------
>
> "He lies under a low-relief effigy slab in the floor
> of the round
> Temple Church tucked in among the 'Inner Temple'
> lawyers' warren just
> below Fleet Street. This property was originally
the
> commandery of
> the Knights Templar in London. This church has
> limited opening
> hours."
>
> "There is a brilliant, short, reflective book on
> William by the late
> Georges Duby, _William Marshal, the Flower of
> Chivalry_, trans.
> Richard Howard (NY: Pantheon, 1985). A contemporary
> epic poem
> survives about William, of nearly 20,000 lines:
> _Histoire de
> Guillaume le Marechal_, ed. P. Meyer, 3 vols.
(Paris,
> 1891-1901). It
> has never been translated, but it was drawn on by
> Duby and also in
> earlier biography of William by Sidney Painter:
> _William Marshal,
> knight-errant, baron, and regent of England_
> (Baltimore, 1933)."
> ----------------------------------------
>
> There is now a third book, "William Marshal, Court,
> Career and
> Chivalry in the Angevin Empire 1147-1219" by David
> Crouch (UK:
> Longman, 1990).
>
> From the *gisant*, if accurate, on his tomb we can
> see that he was a
> quite handsome man, tall and well-formed, with a
long
> face and limbs.
> Eleanor of Aquitaine was much taken with him.
>
> Something about the face reminds me a great deal of
> the young Mel
> Ferrer, who was married to Audrey Hepburn from 1954
> to 1968 or to this
> actor, David something, who plays Hercules in the
> television series.
>
> Perhaps both these men are descended from him, along
> with millions of
> others of us. <g>
>
> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas
> --
>
> D. Spencer Hines --- Sir Robert De Lesseps: "She is
a
> beauty, my lord,
> as would take a king to church for a dowry of a
> nutmeg."; Lord Wessex:
> "My plantations in Virginia are not mortgaged for a
> nutmeg. I have an
> ancient name that will bring you preferment when
your
> grandson is a
> Wessex. Is she fertile?; Sir Robert: "She will
breed.
> If she do not,
> send her back."; Lord Wessex: "Is she obedient?; Sir
> Robert: "As any
> mule in Christendom. But if you are the man to ride
> her, there are
> rubies in the saddlebag."; Lord Wessex: "I like her"
> --- "Shakespeare
> In Love" [1998]; Marc Norman and Tom Stoppard; p.
42.
>
>
>

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