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From: "zglorg" <>
Subject: Re: Oldest European Lines
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:23:16 +0200


Could you please give which irish lines is concerned
Stewart Baldwin a crit dans le message
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> (Francisco Antonio Doria) wrote:
>
>>>What "conditions" were those? I didn't see any.
>>>
>>>Stewart Baldwin
>
>>Stewart,
>
>>I don't know my exact wording, but I can restate it clearly now. I
>>mean direct, specific written father-to-son relationships. Can we
>>trace an agnatic line up to the Carlolingians, say? I once read
>>something about problems in the Lothringen pedigree, and also that
>>while Prince Philip's goes quite far back, it is also not explicitly
>>supported in that way from c. 900 back.
>
>>I once discussed it with one of our princes, and they take Robert le
>>Fort as their oldest ancestor, since from him onwards the pedigree is
>>documented in that way.
>
>>Best,
>
>>Chico Doria
>
>The Irish case I mentioned includes a number of families that can
>trace their direct father-to-son line from the present day to the
>sixth century (and the the fifth with very high probability).
>
>Stewart Baldwin
>
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