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From: "P A MagLOCHLAINN" <>
Subject: Re: God Save Poland
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:50:18 +0100
Surely Poles were always divided into commoners and nobles - the "szlachty"?
There was no distinction between the richest noble and the poorest (who
often owned only a large-ish farm). This was the reason for the historic
Liberum Veto - whereby it required only one noble to vote against any
resolution of the assembly of the nobility, and that resolution was lost.
Any titles (such as Prince, etc) indicating gradations of nobility, all came
from abroad, and were awarded by outside rulers.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
P A MagLochlainn ()
taramark wrote in message
> Arrogance diminishes wisdom.
> Arabian proverb
>From: D. Spencer Hines <>
>Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 1:37 PM
>Subject: Re: God Save Poland
>>So, do you have a list of Polish titles and offices and English
>>equivalents for us, or not?
>>If you're just pontificating --- that's no help.
>>Rafal seems unwilling to get too deeply into this subject of noble
>>titles, perhaps for fear of offending his Communist academic
>>colleagues. He's _very_ sensitive about that. He probably wants to
>>get back to his study of the occult and Satanism too. Nothing
>>politically incorrect about those, I suppose.
>>We could have some fun here with Polish Genealogy --- or we could stay
>>confined mostly to Western Europe, with some exceptions.
>>It's your choice.
>>D. Spencer Hines
>>Lux et Veritas
>>D. Spencer Hines --- "Probitas Laudatur et Alget" [Honesty is praised
>>and starves.], Decimus Junius Juvenalis (Juvenal) [c. 50 A.D.-- c.130
>>A.D.], _Satires, I, line 74_
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