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Subject: Cheap Scots
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:03:33 EDT

Help, I think somebody passed some a case of bad scots off on me. William
Ruffin (Gen 10) seems a might fishy to me - how about it?

Any further details on the Scots aged 10 generations most welcome. Bonus
points if you can figure how the Ruthvens of Freeland tie in and extend the
cousins to Leo's buddy, Sir Alexander Ruthven, the Governor-General of
Australia.

Thanks,

Dave Botts

"Last of the clan Douglass on me grannie Martha 'Mattie' Douglass's side of
the family pre1730 or so"

1 Robert III 'of Scotland' b: WFT Est. 1334-1354 d: April 04, 1406 in
Rothesay in Bute, Scotland
... +Margaret b: WFT Est. 1237-1335
2 Isabelle Stewart b: WFT Est. 1268-1362 in Scotland
...... +Walter Holyburton 'of Dimleton' b: WFT Est. 1262-1359 in Scotland
.. 3 John 'of Holyburton' b: WFT Est. 1298-1389 in of Holyburton, Scotland
........ +? Seaton b: WFT Est. 1303-1392 in likely Scotland
..... 4 George 'of Holyburton' b: WFT Est. 1334-1419 in of Holyburton,
Scotland
........... +Wife of George 'of Holyburton' b: WFT Est. 1334-1419 in likely
Scotland
....... 5 Patrick 'of Holyburton' b: WFT Est. 1370-1448 in Scotland
............. +Margaret Douglass b: WFT Est. 1375-1452 in Scotland
.......... 6 Janet Holyburton b: WFT Est. 1436-1470 in Scotland d: Aft. 1506
................ +William Ruthven b: WFT Est. 1426-1470 in Scotland d: Aft.
1487
............ 7 Patrick Ruthven b: WFT Est. 1485-1517 in Scotland d: Abt.
1566 in England
.................. +Jane Douglass b: WFT Est. 1485-1517 in Scotland
............... 8 William Ruthven b: WFT Est. 1510-1533 in Scotland d: 1583
..................... +Dorothea Stewart b: WFT Est. 1530-1556
................. 9 James Ruthven b: WFT Est. 1571-1576 in Scotland d: Bef.
1600
................. 9 John Ruthven b: Abt. 1577 in Scotland d: August 05,
1600 in Gowrie House, Perth, Scotland
................. 9 Patrick Ruthven b: WFT Est. 1508-1571 in Scotland
................. 9 William Ruthven b: WFT Est. 1512-1561 d: in Scotland
....................... +Wife of William Ruthven b: WFT Est. 1512-1561
.................... 10 *William Ruffin* b: WFT Est. 1551-1588 d: in
Virginia
.......................... +Wife of William Ruffin b: WFT Est. 1551-1588
................. 9 Alexander Ruthven b: Bet. 1578 - 1588 in Scotland d:
August 05, 1600 in Gowrie House, Perth, Scotland
.......... 6 Sister of Janet Holyburton b: WFT Est. 1436-1470 in Scotland
d: Aft. 1506
.......... 6 Sister of Janet Holyburton b: WFT Est. 1437-1470 in Scotland
d: Aft. 1506
*2nd Wife of Robert III 'of Scotland':
... +Annabella Drummond b: WFT Est. 1349-1352 d: 1401
2 David 'of Rothesay' b: Bet. 1367 - 1392 d: 1402 in at his Uncle Robert's
castle "Falkland"
2 Son of Robert III b: Bet. 1367 - 1392 d: Bet. 1367 - 1402
2 Daughter of Robert III b: Bet. 1367 - 1392
2 Daughter of Robert III b: Bet. 1368 - 1392
2 Daughter of Robert III b: Bet. 1369 - 1392
2 Daughter of Robert III b: Bet. 1370 - 1392
2 James I 'of Scotland' b: 1394 in Dunfermline, Scotland d: Bet. February
20 - 21, 1436/37 in Perth, Scotland
...... +Mary Stuart b: WFT Est. 1382-1457
.. 3 Mary Stuart & b: WFT Est. 1413-1436
........ +George Douglas b: Abt. 1378 in Scotland? d: Bet. September 1402 -
1403 in England after capture at the battle of Homildon Hill
..... 4 Son of George Douglas b: Bet. 1394 - 1402 d: Bef. 1403
........... +Wife of Son of George Douglas b: Bet. 1394 - 1440
....... 5 George 'of Angus' Douglas b: 1455 in Scotland?
............. +Wife of George 'of Angus' Douglas b: WFT Est. 1455-1470
.......... 6 Archibald 'Bell the Cat' Douglas b: Abt. 1449 in Scotland? d:
Abt. 1514 in Whithorn in Galloway (now Wigtown)
................ +Elizabeth Boys b: WFT Est. 1496-1500
............ 7 George Douglas b: WFT Est. 1469-1497 in Scotland? d: 1513 in
Battle of Flodden
.................. +Wife of George Douglas b: WFT Est. 1469-1597
............... 8 Janet 'Lady Glamis' Douglas b: WFT Est. 1484-1499 d: July
17, 1537
..................... +? Glamis b: WFT Est. 1474-1499
............... 8 Archibald Douglas b: Abt. 1489 d: January 1556/57 in
Tantallon Castle
..................... +[4] Margaret Tudor b: November 28, 1489 in
Westminster Palace, London, Middlesex, England d: October 18, 1541 in Methven
Castle, Perth, Scotland
................. 9 [3] Margaret 'of Lennox' Douglas b: October 08, 1515 in
Harbolttle Castle, Northumberland d: 1578
....................... +[2] Matthew Stewart b: 1516 in of Scotland d: 1571
in battle in Stirling against the Earl of Huntley
.................... 10 Charles Stuart b: WFT Est. 1533-1555 d: 1576
.......................... +[1] Elizabeth Cavendish b: WFT Est. 1533-1563 d:
1581
.................... 10 [6] Henry 'of Darnley' Stewart b: 1545 d: February
10, 1566/67
.......................... +[5] Mary Stuart b: December 07, 1542 in
Linlithgow, Scotland d: February 08, 1586/87 in England
.................... 10 Charles Stewart b: WFT Est. 1546-1560 in of
Scotland d: 1576
.......................... +[1] Elizabeth Cavendish b: WFT Est. 1533-1563 d:
1581
............... *Partner of Archibald Douglas:
..................... +'Daughter of the Laird of Traquair' b: WFT Est.
1489-1506
............... 8 George 'of Pittendriech' Douglas b: WFT Est. 1490-1500 in
Scotland?
..................... +Wife of George 'of Pittendriech' Douglas b: WFT Est.
1490-1500
................. 9 David Douglas b: Abt. 1515 in Scotland? d: 1557
....................... +Sister of the Earl of Morton b: WFT Est. 1515-1540
.................... 10 Archibald Douglas b: 1555 in Scotland? d: August
04, 1588 in Smeaton near Dalkeith, Scotland
............ 7 Second son of Archibald 'Bell the Cat' Douglas b: WFT Est.
1470-1513 d: 1513 in Battle of Flodden
............ 7 Gavin Douglas b: WFT Est. 1471-1514
............ 7 Janet Douglas b: WFT Est. 1485-1514 in Scotland?
.................. +Robert Herries b: WFT Est. 1479-1508
............... 8 Andrew Herries b: 1530
..................... +Wife of Andrew Herries b: WFT Est. 1530-1545
................. 9 William Herries b: WFT Est. 1551-1580
.................... 10 Catherine Herries b: WFT Est. 1536-1563
.......................... +Alexander 'of Garlies' Stuart b: WFT Est.
1528-1560 in of Garlies
*2nd Wife of James I 'of Scotland':
...... +Joan Beaufort b: WFT Est. 1397-1413 d: July 15, 1445 in Dunbar
Castle, Scotland
.. 3 Annabella Jean Stewart b: WFT Est. 1423-1445 in of Scotland
........ +George Gordon b: WFT Est. 1423-1445 in of Scotland d: 1502
..... 4 Alexander Gordon b: WFT Est. 1439-1470 in of Scotland d: 1524
........... +Wife of Alexander Gordon b: WFT Est. 1439-1470
....... 5 Son of Alexander Gordon b: WFT Est. 1458-1496 in of Scotland
............. +Wife of Son of Alexander Gordon b: WFT Est. 1468-1497
.......... 6 George Gordon b: 1513 in of Scotland d: 1562 in Corriche, near
Aberdeen, Scotland
................ +Wife of George Gordon b: WFT Est. 1513-1523
............ 7 George Gordon b: WFT Est. 1530-1545 in of Scotland d: 1576
.................. +Anne b: WFT Est. 1530-1547
............... 8 George Gordon b: Abt. 1563 in of Scotland d: June 03,
1636 in Dundee, Scotland
..................... +Henrietta Stuart b: WFT Est. 1563-1573
................. 9 George Gordon b: WFT Est. 1570-1627 in of Scotland d:
March 22, 1648/49
....................... +Wife of George Gordon b: WFT Est. 1570-1627
.................... 10 Son of George Gordon b: WFT Est. 1610-1643 in of
Scotland
.......................... +Wife of Son of George Gordon b: WFT Est.
1610-1645
............ 7 Daughter of George Gordon b: WFT Est. 1530-1562 in of
Scotland
.................. +'The Earl of Bothwell' b: WFT Est. 1530-1562
..... 4 Adam Gordon b: WFT Est. 1440-1471 in of Scotland d: 1524
..... 4 Katherine Gordon b: WFT Est. 1439-1472 in of Scotland
........... +Perkin Warbeck b: WFT Est. 1436-1472
..... *2nd Husband of Katherine Gordon:
........... +Second Husband of Katherine Gordon b: WFT Est. 1436-1472
..... *3rd Husband of Katherine Gordon:
........... +Third Husband of Katherine Gordon b: WFT Est. 1436-1472
..... *4th Husband of Katherine Gordon:
........... +Fourth Husband of Katherine Gordon b: WFT Est. 1436-1472
..... 4 William Gordon b: WFT Est. 1441-1472 in of Scotland
........... +Wife of William Gordon b: WFT Est. 1441-1472
....... 5 ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1456-1510 in likely Scotland or England
............. +Wife of ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1456-1510
.......... 6 ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1476-1540 in likely Scotland or England
................ +Wife of ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1476-1540
............ 7 ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1500-1570 in likely Scotland or England
.................. +Wife of ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1500-1570
............... 8 ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1520-1600 in likely Scotland or
England
..................... +Wife of ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1520-1600
................. 9 ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1550-1630 in likely Scotland or
England
....................... +Wife of ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1550-1630
.................... 10 ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1580-1660 in likely Scotland
or England
.......................... +Wife of ? Gordon b: WFT Est. 1580-1660
..... 4 Elizabeth Gordon b: Bet. 1439 - 1465
........... +William Keith b: Bet. 1439 - 1465 d: Bef. May 02, 1527
.. 3 Margaret b: WFT Est. 1423-1445
........ +Louis XI 'of France' b: July 03, 1423 in Bourges, Berry, France d:
August 30, 1483 in Plessis-les-Tours
..... 4 Charles VIII 'of France' b: WFT Est. 1438-1448 in of France d: Abt.
1498
........... +Anne 'of Brittany' b: January 25, 1476/77 in Nantes, France d:
January 09, 1513/14 in Blois, France
.. 3 Alexander b: October 16, 1430 in Edinburgh, Scotland d: Bet. 1430 -
1435
.. 3 James II 'of Scotland' b: October 16, 1430 in Holyrood, Edinburgh,
Scotland d: August 03, 1460 in battle at Roxburgh Castle, Scotland
........ +Marie 'of Gueldres' b: 1432 d: December 01, 1463
..... 4 Mary b: Bef. May 16, 1452 d: May 1488
........... +James Hamilton b: Abt. 1415 d: November 16, 1479
....... 5 Elizabeth b: WFT Est. 1462-1477
............. +Matthew Stewart b: WFT Est. 1459-1481 in of Scotland d:
September 09, 1513
.......... 6 John Stewart b: WFT Est. 1471-1498 d: 1526
................ +Anne Stewart b: WFT Est. 1476-1498
............ 7 [2] Matthew Stewart b: 1516 in of Scotland d: 1571 in battle
in Stirling against the Earl of Huntley
.................. +[3] Margaret 'of Lennox' Douglas b: October 08, 1515 in
Harbolttle Castle, Northumberland d: 1578
............ 7 Robert Stewart b: Bet. 1517 - 1522 in of Scotland d: Aft.
1580
............ 7 John Stewart b: WFT Est. 1518-1523 in Scotland
.................. +Wife of John Stewart b: WFT Est. 1506-1526
............... 8 Esme b: Abt. 1542 in Scotland d: 1583
..................... +Wife of Esme b: WFT Est. 1542-1559
................. 9 Ludovic b: 1574 in Scotland d: 1624
................. 9 Esme b: 1579 in Scotland d: 1624
....... 5 James Hamilton b: 1477 d: 1529
............. +Janet Beaton b: Bet. 1475 - 1500 d: Abt. 1522
.......... 6 James Hamilton b: 1515 d: 1575
................ +Margaret Douglas b: WFT Est. 1514-1516
............ 7 James Hamilton b: WFT Est. 1532-1567 d: 1609
..... *2nd Husband of Mary:
........... +Thomas Boyd b: Bet. 1448 - 1463
..... 4 James III 'of Scotland' b: 1451 in Stirling, Scotland d: 1488
........... +Margaret 'of Denmark' b: Abt. 1457 in likely Denmark, Norway or
Sweden d: 1486
....... 5 James IV 'of Scotland' b: 1473 in likely Scotland d: September
09, 1513 in Flodden Edge overlooking the river Till, Surrey, England
............. +Mistress of James IV 'of Scotland' b: WFT Est. 1473-1492
.......... 6 Janet Stewart b: 1508 in likely Scotland d: 1563
................ +? Fleming b: WFT Est. 1498-1508
............ 7 Margaret Fleming b: WFT Est. 1524-1559
.................. +? Stewart b: WFT Est. 1524-1559 in likely Scotland
............... 8 Jean Stewart b: WFT Est. 1563-1573 in likely Scotland d:
1593
..................... +Duncan Campbell b: 1550 in likely Scotland d: June
23, 1631 in Balloch
................. 9 Robert 'of Glenorchy' Campbell b: 1580 in likely
Scotland d: November 17, 1659
....................... +Isabel MacIntosh b: WFT Est. 1580-1590 in likely
Scotland
.................... 10 Isabella Campbell b: WFT Est. 1600-1614 in likely
Scotland
.......................... +James 'of Ardkinglass' Campbell b: WFT Est.
1600-1614 in likely Scotland d: Aft. 1649
....... *2nd Wife of James IV 'of Scotland':
............. +[4] Margaret Tudor b: November 28, 1489 in Westminster
Palace, London, Middlesex, England d: October 18, 1541 in Methven Castle,
Perth, Scotland
.......... 6 Son of James IV b: WFT Est. 1507-1509 in Scotland? d: WFT Est.
1509-1511 in Scotland?
.......... 6 Son of James IV b: WFT Est. 1508-1510 in Scotland? d: WFT Est.
1510-1512 in Scotland?
.......... 6 Daughter of James IV 'of Scotland' b: WFT Est. 1509-1510 in
Scotland? d: WFT Est. 1511-1512 in Scotland?
.......... 6 James V 'of Scotland' b: 1512 in Linlithgow, Scotland d: 1542
................ +Mistress of James V b: WFT Est. 1507-1528 in Scotland?
............ 7 Robert 'of Whithorn' b: WFT Est. 1528-1542 in Scotland?
.......... *2nd Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Mistress of James V b: WFT Est. 1511-1528 in Scotland?
............ 7 James Stewart b: WFT Est. 1526-1542 in Scotland? d: 1557
.......... *3rd Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Mistress of James V b: WFT Est. 1512-1528 in Scotland?
............ 7 James Stewart b: WFT Est. 1527-1542 in Scotland?
.......... *4th Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Mistress of James V b: WFT Est. 1510-1528 in Scotland?
............ 7 Robert 'of Orkney' b: WFT Est. 1526-1542 in Scotland?
.......... *5th Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Mistress of James V b: WFT Est. 1509-1528 in Scotland?
............ 7 ? 'The Prior of Coldingham' b: WFT Est. 1526-1542 in
Scotland?
.......... *6th Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Mistress of James V b: WFT Est. 1508-1528 in Scotland?
............ 7 Adam Stewart b: WFT Est. 1526-1542 in Scotland?
.......... *7th Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Margaret 'a Mistress' b: WFT Est. 1512-1530 in Scotland?
............ 7 James Stewart b: 1534 in Scotland d: 1570 in assassinated in
Linlithgow, Scotland by Hamilton of Bothwellhaugh
.................. +Wife of James Stewart b: WFT Est. 1534-1549 in Scotland?
............... 8 Elizabeth b: 1565 in Scotland d: 1591
..................... +James Stewart b: WFT Est. 1538-1589 in Scotland
................. 9 James Stewart b: 1581 in Scotland d: 1638
....................... +Wife of James Stewart b: WFT Est. 1581-1591
.................... 10 James Stewart b: WFT Est. 1600-1631 in Scotland
.......................... +Wife of James Stewart b: WFT Est. 1600-1641
.......... *8th Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Madeleine 'of France' b: WFT Est. 1510-1517 in France? d:
1537
.......... *9th Wife of James V 'of Scotland':
................ +Mary 'of Guise' b: 1515 d: 1560
............ 7 James b: 1540 in Scotland? d: WFT Est. 1540-1555
............ 7 Arthur b: Bet. 1541 - 1554 in Scotland?
............ 7 [5] Mary Stuart b: December 07, 1542 in Linlithgow, Scotland
d: February 08, 1586/87 in England
.................. +Francis II 'of France' b: January 19, 1543/44 in
Fontainebleau, France d: December 05, 1560 in Orleans, France
............ *2nd Husband of [5] Mary Stuart:
.................. +[6] Henry 'of Darnley' Stewart b: 1545 d: February 10,
1566/67
............ *3rd Husband of [5] Mary Stuart:
.................. +James 'of Bothwell' Hepburn b: WFT Est. 1530-1540 d:
1576 in Norway
.......... 6 Alexander b: 1514 in Scotland? d: 1516 in Scotland?
....... 5 James 'of Ross' b: 1476 in likely Scotland d: 1503
....... 5 John b: 1479 in likely Scotland d: 1503
..... 4 John b: Bet. 1452 - 1463
..... 4 Alexander b: Abt. 1454 d: 1485
........... +Mistress? of Alexander b: WFT Est. 1454-1469
....... 5 & Alexander b: WFT Est. 1470-1485
..... *2nd Wife of Alexander:
........... +Catherine Sinclair b: WFT Est. 1454-1469
..... *3rd Wife of Alexander:
........... +Anne 'de la Tour' b: WFT Est. 1454-1465 d: WFT Est. 1512
....... 5 John b: 1484 d: 1536

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