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From: "Malinda Jones" <>
Subject: Re: Odard de Dutton
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:51:47 -0500


What about Ives de Criel...is that hoakum too ?....and also what about
Robert de Criel (who isn't mentioned here)

Thanks...... Malinda Jones

-----Original Message-----
From: Kay Allen AG <>
To: <>
Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Odard de Dutton

>Torriano wrote:
>>
>> Who was Odard de Dutton, ancestor, I believe, of the Despencers and of
the
>> Warburton family of Arley. Older copies of Burke's Landed Gentry give a
>> descent (under Warburton of Arley) from one of the earlier Dukes of
Normandy,
>> making the family
>> patrilineal descendants of Rollo. I have also read that he was a member
of the
>> d'Avranches family or that he sprang from a Norman baronial house. Does
anyone
>> know the latest and/or most likely theory?
>> Thank you,
>> Mark
>
>This descent, as is so much of the early material in Burke's, is a lot
>of hooey.
>
>According to Ormerod, he is one of five brothers who came with Nigel of
>Halton, who, I believe, is connected with Ives de Criel. It is not Cope
>who doubts that the five brothers were brothers of Nigel; this is a
>direct steal from Ormerod and Leycester, virtually verbatim.
>
>It would appear that Cope is an incompetent genealogist and a plagerist
>to boot, if he did not cite Ormerod.
>
>Kay Allen AG
>

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