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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Llewelyn's wives - a summary
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:26:00 -1000
Finton often chooses to rely on the Fallacy of the Argument from
It is decidedly one of his favourites, and is illustrative of the very
low level of his ratiocinative skills.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam, propter
misericordiam Tuam et veritatem Tuam." Henry V, [1387-1422] King of
England --- Ordered it to be sung by his prelates and chaplains ---
after the Battle of Agincourt, 25 Oct 1415, --- while every able-bodied
man in his victorious army knelt, on the ground. [Psalm CXV, Verse I]
Todd A. Farmerie <> wrote in message
| > I do not belive that the name Gwenllian would be given to an
| > daughter or the daughter of a concubine.
| > Dr Andrew Breeze wrote an article for THE PLANTAGENET CONNECTION
| > quite convincingly that Gwennlian was the actual writer of the
| > work the _Four Branches of the Mabinogi_. The evidence was, of
| > circumstantial, but quite interesting.
| > Now this Gwenllian lived several generations earlier, but the work
| > down and preserved in her family. She was so famous that I do not
| > name would be given to an illegitimate daughter of a concubine.
| Is this simply an agrument from personal incredulity, or is there some
| kind of analusis done to indicate that a disparity existed between the
| names given legitimate and illegitimate children?
| Along the same lines Gruffudd ap Cynan, the no less prominant father
| Gwenllian, must have been equally respected, yet his name was used for
| an illegitimate son. Most sources suggest that prior to Llywelyn's
| marriage to Joan, little distinction was drawn between legitimate and
| illegitimate children, and the prominance given to David probably had
| more to do with politics.
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