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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Henry I's Daughter Elizabeth
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:30:16 -0500


Vide infra.

1. The Burden of Proof is not on me to Refute anything. The Burden of
Proof is on those who claim that Henry I had an illegitimate daughter
named Elizabeth, who married Fergus of Galloway.

2. Show Us The Proof. I'm convinced by proof, not wishful hopes and
expectations. Alison Weir is an absurd genealogical source. I'm not
required to Refute Alison Weir either. She must prove her case. Does
she cite a source for her supposition?

3. Barrow, op. cit. p. 331 in the 1965 edition does not have a note 26.
The 1988 edition may have a note 26. Does anyone have that edition?
Twenty-six [26] footnotes on a single page is rather unusual, unless
they have been renumbered from the beginning of the chapter.

4. Does anyone have access to Barrow, op. cit., 1988?

5. Please note the "said to be..." in CP. Not very solid.
--

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
--

Hamlet: "Do you see yonder cloud that's almost in shape of a camel?
Polonius: "By the mass, and 'tis like a camel indeed." --- Hamlet:
"Methinks it is like a weasel." --- Polonius: "It is backed like a
weasel." --- Hamlet: "Or like a whale?" --- Polonius: "Very like a
whale." --- William Shakespeare (1564-1616), _The Tragedy of Hamlet,
Prince of Denmark_, III, ii, 384-390 [N.B. Portrait of a sycophantic
American academic, circa 1999.]

"arnold weirmeir" <> wrote in message
news:%gb14.750$...
|
| RBodine996 <> wrote in message
| news:...
| > I haven't followed all of the discussion on this, but let me throw
this
| out in
| > the event it has not been surfaced.
| >
| > The Complete Peerage, vol. 14, p. 582 adds to Appendix D, vol. 11,
the
| > following:
| >
| > "...add "Another daughter, Elizabeth, said to be Henry's youngest
| illegitimate
| > child, is mentioned in Scots Peerage (vol. iv, p. 136), and there
said to
| have
| > married Fergus, Lord of Galloway. See also C. Warren Hollister,
Monarchy,
| > Magnates and Institutions, 1986, p. 251, n. 17. G.W.S. Barrow,
Robert
| Bruce,
| > 1988, p. 331, n. 26, corrects doubts as to the marriage in the Scots
| Peerage.
| > Ex inform. Eric Thompson."
| >
| > I might add that the mother of Uhtred, Lord of Galloway 1160-74, is
noted
| as
| > "illeg. dau. of Henry I K. England" in Archibald A. M. Duncan's
| "Scotland-The
| > Making of the Kingdom" p. 632.
| >
| > Ronny Bodine
| To DSH
| Can you refute this as you seem to have refuted Alison Weir in
"Britain's
| Royal Families".
| I did not quote Weir as an Authoritative source but only as an
indicator
| that the situation may be true. Please don't through the baby out with
the
| bathwater.
| Arnold Weirmeir

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