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From: "The Lennons" <>
Subject: In need of good Medieval links
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:39:51 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: D. Spencer Hines <>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 10:46 PM
Subject: "Plantagenet" --- An Explanation
> "Plantagenet." This matter comes up regularly in both
> soc.genealogy.medieval and soc.history.medieval, as well as in
> alt.talk.royalty. The periodicity seems to be about every four
> months, in all three newsgroups.
> We usually hit it a glancing blow, questions are asked --- some
> tentative, partial, answers are given. Some stock quotations from the
> _Complete Peerage_ are trotted out. Misimpressions are created and
> locked in and we move on. Typical newsgroup behavior. Similar to a
> singles bar, with hard rock drowning out any serious conversations ---
> as the body exchange rolls on.
> Gentle Readers and Serious Scholars deserve a more complete
> explanation. So, in the spirit of Henry V [1387-1422] at Harfleur,
> "Once more unto the breech, dear friends, once more; Or close up the
> wall with our English dead!" [Henry V, III, i, 1-2.] I humbly provide
> the following explanation of the History of 'Plantagenet' as a
> sobriquet transformed into a surrogate surname. [N.B. Henry V is the
> 7th great-grandson of Geoffrey, Comte d'Anjou et Maine.]
> Geoffrey V "The Fair" [1113-1151] Count of Anjou and Maine was Duke of
> Normandy 1144-1150. Plantagenet, used as a surname, is commonly
> applied to members of the Royal House of England between 1154 and
> 1485. Members of that house were descended from the union between
> Geoffrey, Count of Anjou and Maine, and the Empress Matilda,
> [1102-1167] daughter of the English King, Henry I "Beauclerc"
> [1068-1135] --- he who supposedly died from a "surfeit of lampreys."
> Although the practice is well-established, it has little historical
> justification. The name Plantagenet seems to have originated as a
> sobriquet or nickname for Count Geoffrey. It has variously been
> explained as referring to his practice of wearing a sprig or branch of
> yellow broom (Latin: [planta] genista; Old French: plante genet (with
> a 'circonflexe' over the final "e.")] in his helm, or more probably to
> his habit of planting brooms to improve his hunting cover. [N.B.
> Birds will nest under the small broom bushes or shrubs and hunters may
> hide behind them.]
> "Plantagenet" was not, by any means, a hereditary surname and
> Geoffrey's progeny remained without one for more than 300 years,
> although surnames became common outside the Royal Family.
> Henry II Curtmantle FitzEmpress [1133-1189] [son of Geoffrey and
> Matilda The Empress] and his own sons, Richard I and John I, are now
> generally styled by historians as the Angevin (from Anjou) kings. For
> want of a better name, their successors, notably Henry III, Edward I,
> Edward II, Edward III, and Richard II are still described as
> Henry IV, Henry V and Henry VI may properly be called the House of
> Lancaster; while Edward IV, Edward V and Richard III constitute the
> monarchs of the House of York. Edward V, of course, is a quite
> special case who hardly "reigned" as king and reportedly died in the
> Tower of London at 12, one of the two 'Princes in the Tower.'
> The first official use of the surname Plantagenet by any descendant of
> Count Geoffrey was in 1460, when Richard, 3rd Duke of York
> [1411-1460], claimed the throne in the name of "Richard Plantaginet."
> [N.B. Yes, there was no standard spelling in English in 1460.]
> Richard, 3rd Duke of York, was Protector of England, Earl of March and
> Ulster, and Earl of Cambridge. His attempts to gain power for his
> House of York, coupled with many other personal, dynastic and
> historical factors, precipitated the Wars of the Roses (1455-1485).
> The House of York was later identified with the White Rose and the
> House of Lancaster with the Red Rose. As noted above, Richard, 3rd
> Duke of York, was the first to adopt the surname of Plantagenet.
> The legitimate male issue of Count Geoffrey and Matilda The Empress
> became extinct with the death, in 1499, of Edward, [1475-1499] 18th
> Earl of Warwick, grandson of Richard, 3rd Duke of York. He was the
> son of George [1449-1478], Duke of Clarence, who allegedly met his end
> in the Tower of London as did his son, but George was supposedly
> drowned in the famous butt of Malmsey. The Madeira Wine, "Duke of
> Clarence" is named after this event. It is quite palatable, with good
> body and a bit of a nose.
> Henry VII resented Edward, 18th Earl of Warwick's proximity to the
> throne and he was executed at the Tower of London on 28 Nov 1499 .
> Edward was imprisoned for many years and not allowed to have a tutor,
> according to some accounts. Therefore, Henry VII allegedly kept him
> ignorant and uneducated----by design. Clever fellow --- and
> Machiavellian Prince indeed --- was that Henry Tudor.
> Vide the second edition of George Edward Cokayne's [1825-1911] _The
> Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the
> United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant_; Microprint Edition
> (half-size in 6 volumes, condensed from 13); 26 cm; LOC CS421 .C7
> 1982; Dewey # 929.7/2 19; ISBN (set) 0904387828; Nobility---British
> Isles [First Edition: (1887-1898); Second Edition (1910-1959). New
> York, Saint Martin's Press, 1984, [Reprinted from the British (Alan
> Sutton Publishing, Ltd.) version] 13 volumes in 6; also, previously,
> Gloucester: A. Sutton, 1982 (also 13 v. in 6; 26 cm)
> [The Sutton version is a reprint of the Second Edition], Volume I
> (originally published in 1910), p. 183, note (c):
> "It is much to be wished that the surname "Plantagenet," which, since
> the time of Charles II, has been freely given to all the descendants
> of Geoffrey of Anjou, had some historical basis which would justify
> its use, for it forms a most convenient method of referring to the
> Edwardian kings and their numerous descendants. The fact is, however,
> as has been pointed out by Sir James Ramsay and other writers of our
> day, that the name, although a personal emblem [N.B. Latin *planta
> genista* = broom --- DSH] of the aforesaid Geoffrey, was never borne
> by any of his descendants before Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York
> (father of Edward IV), [N.B. and also of Richard III --- DSH] who
> assumed it, apparently about 1448. V.G."
> "V.G." is Vicary Gibbs, one of the Editors of the Second Edition of
> the Complete Peerage.
> This is obviously a quite complex and multi-faceted account ---
> subject to differing interpretations and shadings. Corrections,
> additions and clarifications are most welcome and should be sent to
> the author.
> D. Spencer Hines
> Fortem Posce Animum
> Exitus Acta Probat
> Lux et Veritas
> Copyright @ 1998-1999 by D. Spencer Hines, All Rights Reserved
> "... [A]ll stories, if continued far enough end in death and he is no
> true story teller who would keep that from you." --- Ernest Hemingway;
> (1899-1961) "To die soon or die late matters nothing; to die badly or
> die well is the important point." --- Lucius Annaeus Seneca (c. 4
> B.C. --- A.D. 65)
> "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam, propter
> misericordiam Tuam et veritatem Tuam." Henry V, [1387-1422] King of
> England --- Ordered it to be sung by his prelates and chaplains ---
> after the Battle of Agincourt, 25 Oct 1415, --- while every able-bodied
> man in his victorious army knelt, on the ground. [Psalm CXV, Verse I]
> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
> This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
> itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"