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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Re: Fw: The Battle of Poitiers/Tours
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:48:43 +0800


I did qualify kings and in England. I have never heard of Louis XII
as Louis II, Duc d'Orleans, and your example of Henri IV is rather strange,
from King III of one country he became King IV of another. Changing of
numerals is not part of this conversation.

You seem confused with where the numerals go. And also which numeral system
is used. For Kings we use the latin number system and place it after the
first name but before his being King and of which country. Yes, we do number
Dukes but with Arabic numerals after the first name and family name and
before the title, i.e.
John George Vanderbilt Henry Spencer Churchill, 11th Duke of Marlborough.

Dear Matt Harley wasn't it Fagin who said "We'd better think it out again"?
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas




- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Harley <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: The Battle of Poitiers/Tours


>
>
> Leo van de Pas wrote:
>
> > Oh yes, you did. By giving someone a latin numeral they can only be
kings.
> > There are some exceptions (Reuss for one) but it definitely did not
apply to
> > England
>
> Only kings?
>
> What about Dukes, Counts etc, who also had Roman numerals attached to
> their names? For example Louis XII roi de France was previously duc
> Louis II d'Orleans, etc., etc.
>
> Even for kings, the numeral could change. For exemple, Henry IV roi de
> France was previously Henry III roi de Navarre.
>
> But then that's France, not England. Could it not happen in England that
> Mike the nth Duke of Birmingham became Mike the mth King of England?
>
> Matt Harley
>
>

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