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From: Terry Whetstone Harmon <>
Subject: Re: Edmund of York and Isabella of Castille, dec. 1393
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:54:58 -0700


Janet and Leo,

Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2d ed. (1999) shows:

186:7 Edmund Holand, 4th Earl of Kent, etc., m. 24 Jan 1406/7
Lucy Visconti
by Constance of York had base-born daughter, Alianor

187:6 Alianor Holand m. Mar 1429/30 with papal dispensation
James Tuchet, 5th Lord Audley (as 2d wife) they had
Constance Tuchet m. Robert Whitney.

359:9 Margaret Roos (fl Sep 1423) m. Mar 1415 (papal dispensation)
James Tuchet and had
i. John Audley, m. Anne Echingham
ii. Elizabeth Audley

383:6 Edward Brooke, 6th Lord Cobham m. ca 2 Feb 1436/7
Elizabeth Audley (or Tuchet) the had
i. John Brooke, m. (1) Eleanor Austell [d.s.p.], (2)
Margaret Neville
ii. Elizabeth Brooke, m. Robert Tanfield

I hope this helps.

Terry <mailto:>

Janet Denham wrote:

> Leo: Thanks for your comments. I wish I had access to Dr. Faris' 2nd
> Edition of Plantagenet Ancestry. <snip>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leo van de Pas
>
> > You say you are confused, and so am I.
> > For your research Elizabeth (wife of Edward Brooke, Lord Cobham) daughter
> of
> > James Touchet is the crucial point, who is her mother?
> >
> > If you go to the Complete Peerage Volume III page 346,
> > Edward Brooke, 6th Lord Cobham, married Elizabeth, daughter of James
> > (Tuchet), Lord Audley, by his 2nd wife, Eleanor illegitimate daughter of
> > Thomas (Holand) Earl of Kent.
> > There is a foot note See as to her parentage, The Genealogist, N.S.
> > vol.xxviii, part 1, page 62.
> >
> > Sadly, I do not have access to that.
> >
> > But let us go on, Cahiers de Saint Louis, Page 628, has a correction
> which,
> > translated, tells that Eleanore Holand had a third daughter, Elisabeth
> > Touche married to Edward Brooke Lord Cobham.
> >
> > Now some speculation as I have not seen anything making Elizabeth a
> daughter
> > of Margaret de Ro(o)s.
> > Sadly, many dates are missing as those would help us so much more.
> Margaret
> > de Ros was born in 1398 and died in 1423.
> > In 1414/5 she married James Touchet, I have only two children out of this
> > marriage, Anne and John. John is born in 1420. Altogether there is enough
> > time for Elisabeth to be born
> > but by James's 2nd marriage I have the following children,
> > Edmund, Thomas, Henry, Margaret, Anne, Elizabeth and Constance.
> >
> > Can anyone enlighten me why Margaret de Ros is now mentioned as the mother
> > of Elizabeth?
> > Leo van de Pas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Janet Denham <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Edmund of York and Isabella of Castille, dec. 1393
> >
> >
> > > I am just catching up on the last two weeks and am very interested in
> the
> > > research on the pedigree of Constance of York. I, too, have had
> Constance
> > > in my pedigree through her daughter Alianor, but it seems this is an
> > error.
> > > The most recent information suggests that Margaret Ros was the mother of
> > > Elizabeth Tuchet. On April 4, Theron
> > > Smith stated that Edward Brooke, 6th Lord Cobham was the son of Margaret
> > > Roos and
> > > James Tuchet. Should Edward Brooke have been the son-in-law? Am quite
> > > confused by this and will greatly appreciate clarification. The new
> info
> > > appears to come from Faris' 2nd Edition. Will someone please review the
> > > following pedigree and comment on its accuracy?
> > >
> > > James Tuchet, 5th Lord Audley c. 1398 - 1459
> > > + Margaret de Roos (Ros)
> > >
> > > Elizabeth Tuchet de Audley
> > > + Edward Brooke, 6th Lord Cobham ? - 1464
> > >
> > > John Brooke, 7th Lord Cobham c. 1444 - 1511
> > > + Margaret Neville
> > >
> > > Thomas Brooke, Lord Cobham ? - 1529
> > > + Dorothy Heydon
> > >
> > > Elizabeth Brooke
> > > + Sir Thomas Wyatt
> > >
> > > If the foregoing is accurate, then my line does not decend from Edmund,
> > Duke
> > > of York and Isabella of Castile as originally thought.
> > >
> > > Many thanks. Lee Denham
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: THERON L. SMITH <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:08 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Edmund of York and Isabella of Castille, dec. 1393
> > >
> > >
> > > > ED Mann wrote:
> > > > <I have, I think, some 46 lines from Edmund & Isabella to Charles,
> > > > none
> > > > > of which depend on the parentage of Edward Brooke. Here's one: >
> > > > >
> > > > That's exciting news to royal ancetor watchers! I need to go
> > > > through Faris 2d Ed. with a fine toothed comb. Since OUR descent was
> > > > through Constance's liason with Sir Edmond HOLAND, I hadn't
> concentrated
> > > on
> > > > her legitimate issue.
> > > > Frankly, I didn't know she had any. I notice the section with this
> > > > information was not in Faris, 1st Ed,
> > > > <SNIP>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

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